Reply to: Link or SSI for css ?

Re: no its not

well Vetran, it is an interesting point of view - almost every software is a product of some adds, subs, divs, muls with occasional branching - does it mean it should all be grouped together? :rolleyes

But yes I agree that National Insurance is a tax

Re: no its not

point I was making is it was a SSI by definition. Much like National Insurance is a tax.

I know how PHP & SSI work thanks, I have decades of web support / development under my belt, you know that Tim Berners Lee, taught him everything he knew, Bill Gates he was going to be a real estate agent until I bumped into him. That Tony B'liar was going to be in a boy band until I pointed out he could almost sing - sorry britain I should have kept my mouth shut.

{oops slipped into Billy B*llS*tter mode there}

Re: no its not

Glory?

Wasn't she the Big Bad in Season 5 of Buffy?

Re: no its not

oh come on fiddle, you know I am right on this one, don't deny me a minute of glory

Re: no its not

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no its not

> Girls sorry to intrude but surely a PHP include which
> is decoded and processed by the server is a Server Side Include?

Not its not processed by Server Side Include - SSI, its done by PHP itself (via include statement), here are two references which clearly show different syntax, SSI would not have a clue about PHP interpretation:

PHP include: uk.php.net/include/

SSI include: www.htmlgoodies.com/beyond/ssi.html

The action in principle is the same (read file and stick into the outgoing bytestream of data) but in practice you may find that tuned PHP should deliver much better performance particularly due to the fact that a tuned PHP install would not force to interpret same non-changed PHP file every time its requested. SSI is so old and not the safest in shared environments that the best course of action is to have it disabled.

There is quote for you: In particular, the Webmaster must decide which documents are parsed and which ones are not. Parsing is the action of searching through a file (HTML in this case) for the SSI directives. Sure, you can configure your server to parse every page sent, but this is not generally a good idea because it overloads a server considerably.

Source: docs.rinet.ru/UCGI/ch7.ht...SSIandCGIs

You see, since you have to use PHP it makes no sense to have 2 parsers go through the same file with one of the parsers being subset of functinality offered by the other. There is simply no point, its like why buy P2 600 CPU now when for the same money you might get P3 1000 or something like that - there is no point, which is in my view is a very good reason why to stick to PHP only.

> |let me know exactly how much profit those 5 sites have made for you

You see fiddle its my professional job to maximise revenues from e-commerce sites, not some joke sites but sites with 7 digit annual profits.

I find that its risky to offer for sale the very same tools I use in the company at this stage, so its best to wait few months when I am finally free.

> PS the term professional in Englsh means "for money".

In American English you mean - sorry to lector you on meaning of word "professional" but I knew both for at least 10 years :lol

Here is full explanation of word professional in English sense of the word: "\Pro*fes"sion*al\, n. A person who prosecutes anything professionally, or for a livelihood, and not in the character of an amateur; a professional worker."


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Anyhow fiddle, you seems to be too proud of profits from your amater sites, do you want a bet that I will make more money in 2005 calendar year from my sites (while doing my bit in advancing humanity via R&D), than yours? How does £10 bet sound? In addition the losing English side will have to learn some respect for the winning Russian side?

Re: websites

Thank you vetran.

AtW - you have obviously suffered a miserable life until now may I recommend you try out www.lacunainc.com/ which will help you to forget it.

Before you do though perhaps you could check that bank statement again and let me know exactly how much profit those 5 sites have made for you - I promise I won't snitch to the taxman in the unlikely event that there is anything to declare. PS the term professional in Englsh means "for money".

There was some discussion a while back on the meaning of AtW - this amazes me I've known for ages that it is Alexei the ******

Re: websites

Girls sorry to intrude but surely a PHP include which is decoded and processed by the server is a Server Side Include?

websites

> Saying SSI was shorthand for php include which I did
> say later was what I was actually doing.

Actually last check of my online bank account reveals that I pay for 5 websites, so please stop trying to say that I never had any websites ok? Unlike yourself I am actually professionally doing e-commerce for now 5 years, so our of us two its you who should STFU.

Confusing SSI and PHP include? Thats fking fiddlabout for you >:

Re: Volvo

> You seem to be unable to comperehend

are you completely blind or just a @#%$ trying deliberately to annoy me - try actually reading my first fcuking post - I am perfectly well aware of exactly how both methods work and even said that I know using the include will increase bandwidth. In the title I mentioned SSI but don't use it because I use php. Saying SSI was shorthand for php include which I did say later was what I was actually doing.

Until you've actually got a website please ignore any questions I may have about web technologies - you shoot off at a tangent on even the simplest question trying to 'prove' what a knowledable fellow you are yet seem to be totally incapable of actully reading.

Just STFU please!!

Re: Volvo

My wonderful 1992 Volvo Wentworth 940 Turbo.

In faded blue.

Cost £150.

Magic.

Looks like a barge.

Drives like a barge.

Will probably last forever, so long as I keep topping up the engine oil leak.

Zero street cred & do I give a toss?

No.

Volvo

which model of Volvo?

they dont have good diesels and no nice looking hatchbacks either :rolleyes

Re: which include?

You should drive a Volvo, it's got a really peculiar driver's door mirror that eliminates blindspots.

Makes you crosseyed when you look into it though.

which include?

> I just wanted to know if the include was better for
> some reason - in which case I'd have changed the others.

which "include" you mean? Reference which would force browser to separately request CSS file (and then cache it) or embedding of CSS code by means of SSI or PHP includes?

The latter should do the same job as SSI.

You seem to be unable to comperehend that referencing CSS file in HTML as in Site A example you gave above is an overall better option which in some heavy traffic instances can have an overwhelming advantage and therefore it is stupid not to do it as a matter of good practice that can pay up later big.

Just like looking over the shoulder to check blind spots - most of time its a complete waste however once in a while it can save lots of £££££££££

Re: phpAccelerator

> If you are so anal about embedding CSS code inside file then bloody use PHP's includes!

not sure what you mean by this.

Site A uses ..
******"StyleSheet" href="style.css"

Site B uses ..
?php include("style.css"); ?

neither embed the style in the page which would be stupid and cause a maintenance nightmare.

The reason I code B like that was because at the time I'd forgotten the syntax for A

I doubt there's tuppence of difference between the two from what has been said but I'll still probably recode as A just to keep them consistant (there are several other sites coded like A)

I just wanted to know if the include was better for some reason - in which case I'd have changed the others.

All your wittering about saving the parsed results is completely irrelevant to this - you are trying to think too deeply about a very simple question.