Reply to: Times : Loan schemes offering help to ruined clients — for a fee

[phil@pmtc]

I am just about to request a one month ban. I want to be very clear I am not running away from defending Phil and will be back.

My brother has just been found hanged. He served his country as a member of 1para and possibly the SAS.

I have hugely suffered at the hands of HMRC - without Phil I could have gone the same way as my brother.

Thanks for your support and please note what Webberg correctly states - there are things more such more important than tax - indeed pretty much everything is more important than all this nonsense. Take care pal and call if required.

[webberg]

There are so many things more important than tax.

[Old Greg]

I am just about to request a one month ban. I want to be very clear I am not running away from defending Phil and will be back.

My brother has just been found hanged. He served his country as a member of 1para and possibly the SAS.

I have hugely suffered at the hands of HMRC - without Phil I could have gone the same way as my brother.

Sorry to hear your news.

Take care.

[GreenMirror]

I am just about to request a one month ban. I want to be very clear I am not running away from defending Phil and will be back.

My brother has just been found hanged. He served his country as a member of 1para and possibly the SAS.

I have hugely suffered at the hands of HMRC - without Phil I could have gone the same way as my brother.

[GreenMirror]

AndyW I guess - who's he?

https://www.contractoruk.com/forums/...tml#post130353

[Invisiblehand]

What's this big thing that's about to happen?

[jbryce]

A very long time ago, there was a group called NTRT. Very similar to LCAG.

At one point some of those in NTRT put in a great deal of money to form a splinter group. This was highly controversial and attracted a great deal of criticism.

Who do you think did best between: -
1. Those outside the splinter group
2. Those inside the splinter group.
3. AndyW

Please vote for option 1, 2 or 3.

AndyW I guess - who's he?

[GreenMirror]

A very long time ago, there was a group called NTRT. Very similar to LCAG.

At one point some of those in NTRT put in a great deal of money to form a splinter group. This was highly controversial and attracted a great deal of criticism.

Who do you think did best between: -
1. Those outside the splinter group
2. Those inside the splinter group.
3. AndyW

Please vote for option 1, 2 or 3.

[DavidD]

For what it’s worth Robert Venables QC designed the failed scheme I was on....

[here4beer]

I’ve spoke to Phil and despite me being well known to be against such ideas generally, agree with what he says on it, as he states, even if he was an extremely well disguised conman then the enablers penalties would make such pointless.

Insella are not relying upon a judge interpretation of the law, they are utilising the law that Hmrc themselves helped word. It’s an option and people can take or leave.

There won’t be any hard sell from Phil either way other than to state it’s not a qc opinion on a scheme...it’s a qc devised solution.

There’s a world of difference and for anyone to downplay it based on a seeing only a few paragraphs of a >200 page explanation is crazy. Especially so if such person/people have their own agenda to sell.

I guess it’s a case of trusting Phil and rvqc or not but neither can make a penny of failed and (Phil especially) has everything to lose.

I can't see HMRC letting someone else cash in on 'their' tax. Only takes another law to be invented tomorrow.

[GreenMirror]

on the same vein, has anyone been contacted by Insella in Cyprus? It appears to be an "option" put together with the backing of Phil Manley and devised by Robert Venables QC. Again they are asking for a fee, 8% of total outstanding loans. I am struggling to get my head around the two options they have suggested.

Equally, I a bit dubious that Phil M would put his name to one of these schemes....

I’ve spoke to Phil and despite me being well known to be against such ideas generally, agree with what he says on it, as he states, even if he was an extremely well disguised conman then the enablers penalties would make such pointless.

Insella are not relying upon a judge interpretation of the law, they are utilising the law that Hmrc themselves helped word. It’s an option and people can take or leave.

There won’t be any hard sell from Phil either way other than to state it’s not a qc opinion on a scheme...it’s a qc devised solution.

There’s a world of difference and for anyone to downplay it based on a seeing only a few paragraphs of a >200 page explanation is crazy. Especially so if such person/people have their own agenda to sell.

I guess it’s a case of trusting Phil and rvqc or not but neither can make a penny of failed and (Phil especially) has everything to lose.

[GreenMirror]

I am incredulous that people are even contemplating this stuff.

Anyone who has done any research at all should realize that contacting these "people" is a bad move. Though doing no research is bad.

Contacting Graham/Phil is a far better way forward.

[GreenMirror]

on the same vein, has anyone been contacted by Insella in Cyprus? It appears to be an "option" put together with the backing of Phil Manley and devised by Robert Venables QC. Again they are asking for a fee, 8% of total outstanding loans. I am struggling to get my head around the two options they have suggested.

Equally, I a bit dubious that Phil M would put his name to one of these schemes....

I am on the hotline to Phil about this....

[Tiger22]

on the same vein, has anyone been contacted by Insella in Cyprus? It appears to be an "option" put together with the backing of Phil Manley and devised by Robert Venables QC. Again they are asking for a fee, 8% of total outstanding loans. I am struggling to get my head around the two options they have suggested.

Equally, I a bit dubious that Phil M would put his name to one of these schemes....

I struggle to believe they have put their names to such a scheme. It sounds like scammers trading on the good name of others.

[here4beer]

I am incredulous that people are even contemplating this stuff.

I'm not surprised at all. One of the (albeit many) calculations I ran, involved me being dead. 8% seems a bargain in comparison.