Reply to: The world has gone mad

[scooterscot]

• The Russians are sending 25 fighter jets to Iraq
• The US is sending 36 F16s in the autumn (to be fair they are allowing Lockheed to sell them)
• Obama is finding $500m to send to Iraq

To get back on topic, which of the 3 above do you think sensible given the track record of the country in question and its' current level of stability? What If ISIS do get what they want? ISIS then become the best armed militia in the region. Then off we go again spending billions and wasting lives to disarm the people we just rearmed.

Option D: Intensive UAV campaign.

[tractor]

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They'd probably fix half their problems overnight by halving their defence, defense, budget.

• The Russians are sending 25 fighter jets to Iraq
• The US is sending 36 F16s in the autumn (to be fair they are allowing Lockheed to sell them)
• Obama is finding $500m to send to Iraq

To get back on topic, which of the 3 above do you think sensible given the track record of the country in question and its' current level of stability? What If ISIS do get what they want? ISIS then become the best armed militia in the region. Then off we go again spending billions and wasting lives to disarm the people we just rearmed.

[scooterscot]

On this, we agree, a good start would be to stop sending F16's and enough money to buy bullets for decades.

They'd probably fix half their problems overnight by halving their defence, defense, budget.

[tractor]

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Peanuts for who? An African that lives off $1 a day?

With a population of some 168 million Nigeria's daily death rate is equal to 13.2 deaths per day

With a population of some 63 million the UK death rate is equal to 9.33 deaths per day.

Twice as many people die in the UK daily compared to Nigeria.

How is that possible? Just because you can't see it does not mean it does not exist. The UK probably has more people dying in poverty than Nigeria.

This is true so why are you arguing for sending money when it could be better spent saving people here than killing them there?

[tractor]

We can't expect things to change overnight in Nigeria, it's corrupt as.. but people will be benefit eventually.

The change $500m would bring in the US would last a matter of days opposed to perhaps the years it might have in the middle east. The US needs a change in policy, not money.

I believe what I see with my own eyes.

On this, we agree, a good start would be to stop sending F16's and enough money to buy bullets for decades.

[scooterscot]

No no they will not - who is going to fight for them? Who cares about them.

You seem to be equating small numbers of people getting rich off the backs of large numbers of people dying in squalor as some sort of lack of recession.

And sorry but the Co-op is in debt for £500 million - which is more than $500 million - it's peanuts, small change.

Peanuts for who? An African that lives off $1 a day?

With a population of some 168 million Nigeria's daily death rate is equal to 13.2 deaths per day

With a population of some 63 million the UK death rate is equal to 9.33 deaths per day.

Twice as many people die in the UK daily compared to Nigeria.

How is that possible? Just because you can't see it does not mean it does not exist. The UK probably has more people dying in poverty than Nigeria.

[DodgyAgent]

How many Africa's is that?

Nigeria becomes Africa's biggest economy

You're ignorance knows no bounds. A good thing in your profession I'd have thought.

So which African countries were not affected by the global recession? So far I have picked out the two with the biggest economies to disprove your rather ignorant assertion so maybe you would like to back up your claims with some facts.

[original PM]

We can't expect things to change overnight in Nigeria, it's corrupt as.. but people will be benefit eventually.The change $500m would bring in the US would last a matter of days opposed to perhaps the years it might have in the middle east. The US needs a change in policy, not money.

I believe what I see with my own eyes.

No no they will not - who is going to fight for them? Who cares about them.

You seem to be equating small numbers of people getting rich off the backs of large numbers of people dying in squalor as some sort of lack of recession.

And sorry but the Co-op is in debt for £500 million - which is more than $500 million - it's peanuts, small change.

[scooterscot]

I have no idea what you are talking about on the last point. What I am asking is, would the $500m Obama is asking Congress for be better spent at home rather than rearming Iraq? It's got nothing to do with interest rates or companies or national bankruptcy. And the question would stand whether you or the IMF are correct about recession (I know who I believe btw).

We can't expect things to change overnight in Nigeria, it's corrupt as.. but people will be benefit eventually.

The change $500m would bring in the US would last a matter of days opposed to perhaps the years it might have in the middle east. The US needs a change in policy, not money.

I believe what I see with my own eyes.

[scooterscot]

It is Africas biggest economy so it is not unreasonable to use it to counter your own sweeping statement.

How many Africa's is that?

Nigeria becomes Africa's biggest economy

You're ignorance knows no bounds. A good thing in your profession I'd have thought.

[DodgyAgent]

I love how DA thinks South Africa = The continent of Africa. Double shudder.

It is Africas biggest economy so it is not unreasonable to use it to counter your own sweeping statement.

Correction second biggest economy after Nigeria

http://www.proshareng.com/news/21641.html

[tractor]

Since 2008? Yes, thanks



Okay lets add a few more. Canada, Norway, Russia (before Ukraine), Philippines, and take you're pick from several African countries that are doing quite well in terms of oil production. Yeah, look at the richest one, Nigeria. Their citizens are doing great!



They don't have any money. Companies do. The countries are broke between them. If there was opportunity for the UK government to exploit interest rates would have went up long ago. Yet they've not because the country would breakdown if rates went back to their 5% norm.

I have no idea what you are talking about on the last point. What I am asking is, would the $500m Obama is asking Congress for be better spent at home rather than rearming Iraq? It's got nothing to do with interest rates or companies or national bankruptcy. And the question would stand whether you or the IMF are correct about recession (I know who I believe btw).

[scooterscot]

http://www.lse.ac.uk/internationalDe...heGlobalFC.pdf

I love how DA thinks South Africa = The continent of Africa. Double shudder.

[DodgyAgent]

Since 2008?



Okay lets add a few more. Canada, Norway, Russia (before Ukraine), Philippines, and take you're pick from several African countries that are doing quite well in terms of oil production.



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http://www.lse.ac.uk/internationalDe...heGlobalFC.pdf

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/20/bu...oner.html?_r=0

http://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PNADT979.pdf

[scooterscot]

Yes I stopped off at Kuala lumpur airport for 10 hours once which means of course I know everything there is to know about Malaysia and its economy

Impressive.