Reply to: UK Leads growth of G7

[sasguru]

I've asked you for one link, you have linked 600 jobs, not one is relevant.

You said 3k for a shop assistant. Find me one vacancy for shop assistant in Munich (in any language) for 3k gross a month.

Find it yourself you lazy

You've given up! Ich habe gewonnen! Was für eine Null!

I'm speaking with a shop owner, you're looking for shortcuts.

Stay with management, it suits you.

Looks like Lord Haw-Haw has been found bull-Sh!iting - again.

[scooterscot]

You've given up! Ich habe gewonnen! Was für eine Null!

I'm speaking with a shop owner, you're looking for shortcuts.

Stay with management, it suits you.

[petergriffin]

Find it yourself you lazy

You've given up! Ich habe gewonnen! Was für eine Null!

[scooterscot]

You said 3k for a shop assistant. Find me one vacancy for shop assistant in Munich (in any language) for 3k gross a month.

Find it yourself you lazy

[petergriffin]

Are you looking for a raise?

Over 600 kauffmann jobs currently in München.

I've asked you for one link, you have linked 600 jobs, not one is relevant.

You said 3k for a shop assistant. Find me one vacancy for shop assistant in Munich (in any language) for 3k gross a month.

[scooterscot]

That's exactly what I've said.

Bad in Munich. Good somewhere else. Not great.

Definitely poor in the Netherlands.

Give me a link for a vacancy for a Kauffman/Kassier in Munich for 3K (brutto).

Are you looking for a raise?

Over 600 kauffmann jobs currently in München.

[petergriffin]

Well between you and me; what you think you know but clearly don't and what I know from the shop owner, gross is just a little over €3k per month. And as a single person you'd keep €1.95k after health insurance, tax, & pension.

That's exactly what I've said.

Not bad.

Bad in Munich. Good somewhere else. Not great.

Definitely poor in the Netherlands.

Give me a link for a vacancy for a Kauffman/Kassier in Munich for 3K (brutto).

[scooterscot]

There's no way that such a position pays €3k a month in Bavaria or any part of Germany. It usually pays about minimum wage if one is lucky to get a full time job. In the Netherlands these position are filled by under-25 students and I expect the same in Germany.

Even if they got 3k a month, after tax and insurance and what not, they'd be lucky to get 2k net a month, which in Munich is really tulip wages.

Well between you and me; what you think you know but clearly don't and what I know from the shop owner, gross is just a little over €3k per month. And as a single person you'd keep €1.95k after health insurance, tax, & pension. Not bad.

[DodgyAgent]

Indeed, communicating with the locals in their own tongue receives positive feedback.

t.

I once employed a guy who spoke 6 languages fluently but could not communicate in any of them.
I eventually put him on to "contractor entertainment" where he blended in quite nicely

[petergriffin]

Cost of living in Germany is among the highest in europe,

Not everywhere, some parts of Germany are relatively cheap. The east is very affordable and also some parts of NRW are ok, excluding Cologne.

with the lowest wage.

Compared to cost of living, yes.

[petergriffin]

Indeed, communicating with the locals in their own tongue receives positive feedback.

An acquaintance of mine owns two shops in town. Finding folks to operate the registers who are competent has been a struggle for her. The minimum monthly income they demand is €3k just to be a sales person!

Comparing the bleak wage conditions in the UK as the norm across Germany would be one way to tell yourself we're all suffering equally. But that does not make it right.

What you half Germans call "sales person" is what we call shop assistant in modern Britain. You probably meant "Verkäufer/Kassierer" in German and "Verkoopmedewerker" in Dutch.

There's no way that such a position pays €3k a month in Bavaria or any part of Germany. It usually pays about minimum wage if one is lucky to get a full time job. In the Netherlands these position are filled by under-25 students and I expect the same in Germany.

Even if they got 3k a month, after tax and insurance and what not, they'd be lucky to get 2k net a month, which in Munich is really tulip wages.

[suityou01]

Not really true when considered relative to cost of living and especially accommodation costs. The overall standard of living is pretty good.

Cost of living in Germany is among the highest in europe, with the lowest wage. I don't have a link as this was the general consensus from everyone I spoke to while I was out there.

[scooterscot]

I thought we paid our binmen quite well

I might collect the rubbish but I'm not feeding off it.

[scooterscot]

Being able to communicate with the locals in their native language and relate with them is a definite skill. Don't underestimate that.

If you say that wages in Germany for the common man are higher than elsewhere, that means you are either deluded or you live in your own bubble or you can't or won't speak the language and you only speak with some other expats.

You wouldn't be the only one. There are some people in London who genuinely think the economy is growing.

Indeed, communicating with the locals in their own tongue receives positive feedback.

An acquaintance of mine owns two shops in town. Finding folks to operate the registers who are competent has been a struggle for her. The minimum monthly income they demand is €3k just to be a sales person!

Comparing the bleak wage conditions in the UK as the norm across Germany would be one way to tell yourself we're all suffering equally. But that does not make it right.

[DodgyAgent]

Is that personal experience talking?

There's not a chance I could earn in the UK what I earn here.

I thought we paid our binmen quite well