Reply to: Graduates with degrees in computer science had the highest unemployment rate

[mcquiggd]

The indians and chinese have two goverments working on their behalf - ours and theirs. They are taught how to market themselves, their industry bodies lobby the various foreign governments, and the myth is created that they are superior to local talent.

We have two governments working against us - ours and theirs.

[Mordac]

Mordy has a dislike of university grads having never been.

School of Hard Knocks and University of Life our Mordy is.

The mates of mine who went spent 3 years drinking cheap beer, shagging easy women and had a ready supply of class A's.
I doubt any of them actually learnt anything useful in 3 years, except they can all roll far better joints than me.

[VectraMan]

Next time you meet one ask them what they think of Dr. Knuths work,

I find Dr Knuth's book is invaluable, either as a door stop or as a monitor stand. What's it about?

And my toaster is broken.

[MarillionFan]

Mordy has a dislike of university grads having never been.

School of Hard Knocks and University of Life our Mordy is.

[Mordac]

All well and good, but have you seen the content of these "Computer Science" courses? Next time you meet one ask them what they think of Dr. Knuths work, and don't be surprised by the blank look. It's an absolute disgrace that universities are allowed to give such wastes of time degree status.

threaded in "of tunbridge wells" mode

Threaded is correct. I've yet to meet a comp science grad who I would trust with a toaster, let alone a corporate network. No wonder the Indians are winning...

[threaded]

All well and good, but have you seen the content of these "Computer Science" courses? Next time you meet one ask them what they think of Dr. Knuths work, and don't be surprised by the blank look. It's an absolute disgrace that universities are allowed to give such wastes of time degree status.

threaded in "of tunbridge wells" mode

[GreenerGrass]

Donations / loans to party funds?

Exactly, make IT costs cheap for big business and Labour get a pay off, not just money but public support by business to help create a media myth that Labour is the party of big business as well as the man in the street.

Thats as long as that man in the street isn't the owner of a small business, self employed, or a higher rate tax payer who doesn't have a mechanism like Sir Phillip Green, Bono or Mick Jagger for avoiding tax.

Anyway, the work permit conspiracy doesn't tally with Blairs ideal of having 100% of our youngsters degree-qualified - what exactly does Blair think they will all do for a living? They can't all get jobs as interns at the Whitehouse, the best they can hope for is to become restaurant managers, and perhaps star in series 20 of Ramseys Kitchen Nightmares.
If accountancy and legal work starts getting outsourced on any scale we'll be left with a nation of sociology students in 10 years time trying to work out where it all went wrong. We're all doomed.

[DimPrawn]

[CaribbeanPirate]

If there are so many people floating around with 5 years experience, why does the government issue unlimited work permits for IT grads from India due to the "paralysing IT skills shortage"?

Donations / loans to party funds?

[Ardesco]

because the government doesn't know its arse from its elbow. Not to mention I haven't seen that many Indians coming over here to take permenant jobs, most of the ones I have met go into contracting.

[_V_]

In the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

[DimPrawn]

If there are so many people floating around with 5 years experience, why does the government issue unlimited work permits for IT grads from India due to the "paralysing IT skills shortage"?

If you can't see what's happening here, you really are blind.

[Ardesco]

How can it be the dotcom era when that was at least 6 yrs ago and these are graduates that graduated last year FFS?

That is because the market is saturated by people who got thier degrees in the dot com era. Why hire a newbie out of uni when you can hire somebody with 5 years exp and the same degree for the same money ?

[DimPrawn]

No you are wrong...
It was the dotcom era that determined so many to "go for IT" just for the money. Now the market demands some experience and 11% on the bench seems to me quite a low number. And btw they really can find jobs if they want, the problem is that each newbie wants that 300/day contract...

A friend of mine used to say about all this new "go for IT" uni stuff : "Never before, so many know so little about so much..."

HTH

How can it be the dotcom era when that was at least 6 yrs ago and these are graduates that graduated last year FFS?

We have the government banging on about IT skills shortages, issue millions of work permits to Indian graduates and ours have the highest unemployment of any degree subject?

Vote Labour - Vote your future to India.

[Viktor]

No you are wrong...
It was the dotcom era that determined so many to "go for IT" just for the money. Now the market demands some experience and 11% on the bench seems to me quite a low number. And btw they really can find jobs if they want, the problem is that each newbie wants that 300/day contract...

A friend of mine used to say about all this new "go for IT" uni stuff : "Never before, so many know so little about so much..."

HTH