Reply to: So, just how do we get rid of Putin?

[MicrosoftBob]

I think you may have misunderstood my comment. Putin has accused the rest of the Ukraine of being Jew hating Nazi's.

I think you misunderstood my irony :nazi:

[doodab]

Considering he's not exactly setting a precedent...

And neither are we. It's the same old same old.

[CheeseSlice]

He's going to have to be. The Ukraines have been sold the Western Dream. We can't back down now. We invited the Ukraines to the table in the first place. As for "ethnic Russians", that's a massive "social engineering" exercise.

Western dream...hmm

Apparently they'll be adopting the economic model of Greece. An IMF and Troika rodgering and a big pension fund raid.

Some dream they're getting themselves in for.

As for the Russians being skint and being unable to support Crimea, where oh where is the giant EU bailout for greater Ukraine going to come from? The european nations are heavily indebted and leveraged to the hilt like a giant Ponzi house of cards.

I think I hear something. Is that a drone circling my house?

[suityou01]

When Putin gets his arse handed to him on a plate over the Ukraine, his days are numbered.

That said, the little gay f*cker has nothing to lose so maybe he will press the shiny red button...

Now that's a thread. Welcome back puss face.

[Churchill]

I know his friends have started beating up jews and gays, but he doesn't have the tailoring of Hugo Boss on his side or Ikea.

He makes an ugly Nazi but otherwise yup the Nazi card has been played

I think you may have misunderstood my comment. Putin has accused the rest of the Ukraine of being Jew hating Nazi's.

[MicrosoftBob]

Putin has already won the first round, he's played the :nazi: card.

I know his friends have started beating up jews and gays, but he doesn't have the tailoring of Hugo Boss on his side or Ikea.

He makes an ugly Nazi but otherwise yup the Nazi card has been played

[MicrosoftBob]

Shut down all his favourite gay bars so he has nowhere to relax

Then he'll start making mistakes

[Churchill]

Putin has already won the first round, he's played the :nazi: card.

[darmstadt]

I think we can and will avoid military involvement. It'll be talking all the way. It does set an unsavoury precedent but I don't think anyone predicted a Russian response quite like this. Which is arguably a massive failure of strategic planning.

Hopefully, although I find it laughable that the latest sanction will be to stop Russian MPs travelling to Europe, wow, thats really going to scare the bejeezus out of them: Ukraine crisis: Cameron backs travel ban on senior Russian politicians | Politics | theguardian.com

[Churchill]

I think we can and will avoid military involvement. It'll be talking all the way. It does set an unsavoury precedent but I don't think anyone predicted a Russian response quite like this. Which is arguably a massive failure of strategic planning.

Considering he's not exactly setting a precedent...

[mudskipper]

It took more than that to kill Rasputin...

No, it's Rumplestiltskin I'm thinking of - never mind...

[doodab]

He's going to have to be. The Ukraines have been sold the Western Dream. We can't back down now. We invited the Ukraines to the table in the first place. As for "ethnic Russians", that's a massive "social engineering" exercise.

I think we can and will avoid military involvement. It'll be talking all the way. It does set an unsavoury precedent but I don't think anyone predicted a Russian response quite like this. Which is arguably a massive failure of strategic planning.

[MarillionFan]

It took more than that to kill Rasputin...

Ra Ra.

So, just how do we get rid of Putin?

Has he been in a car with you when your map reading?

[Ticktock]

He is a mad ****er and has pledged to protect the ethnic Russians in Crimea so backing down will be a massive loss of face to his people - and I am not sure that he is capable of doing that. Going to be an interesting week or two to come.

And with his troops piled up only a short distance away is he likely to be handed his derriere on a platter?

The biggest threat to him at the moment is probably Crimea joining Russia.

The Russian economy is failing anyway, add in the costs of maintaining Crimea and it gets worse. Or he takes Crimea, but does nothing to support it, in which case people there get pissed off and he has the extra costs of security.
Then you have the rest of the world actually looking serious about hurting Russia economically and things go from bad to worse. Already they're looking beyond hurting stocks and the currency, and more into hitting the commodities like oil and gas.

Will he lose directly? Probably not. But he will only hang on to power for so long before he loses internal support. He's been busy building a cult around himself, much like the Kims in N. Korea, which may keep the proles in line in Russia, but the rich and influential will have had enough of him sooner or later.

He can easily back out of Crimea - it's not like ethnic Russians there were actually under threat. So he can say "Our Russian brethren are fine, they are strong, they no longer need our help, but if it wasn't for us they'd all have been shipped to gulags persecuted and become political prisoners criminals in their own land".

[Churchill]

He is a mad ****er and has pledged to protect the ethnic Russians in Crimea so backing down will be a massive loss of face to his people - and I am not sure that he is capable of doing that. Going to be an interesting week or two to come.

And with his troops piled up only a short distance away is he likely to be handed his derriere on a platter?

He's going to have to be. The Ukraines have been sold the Western Dream. We can't back down now. We invited the Ukraines to the table in the first place. As for "ethnic Russians", that's a massive "social engineering" exercise.