Reply to: Govt plans to save £500bn!!!

[Doggy Styles]

The current rules on getting "the sick" are so messed up that my sister who has multiple sclerosis has just been passed fit to work. Just who is going to employ a 55 year old who has not worked for 25 years, has trouble walking, standing, can't use a computer etc etc? It just means she will get job seekers instead, and as she has some savings she inherited then she can't get housing benefit, council tax benefit etc

Agreed, there are many anomalies and bad regulations that need sorting out, but that's regardless of the age at which people can start drawing their state pension.

Civil servants retiring on their gold-plated public pensions at 60 is another one.

[Archangel]

Whats to stop someone around 60 going on the sick and collecting benefits?

The current rules on getting "the sick" are so messed up that my sister who has multiple sclerosis has just been passed fit to work. Just who is going to employ a 55 year old who has not worked for 25 years, has trouble walking, standing, can't use a computer etc etc? It just means she will get job seekers instead, and as she has some savings she inherited then she can't get housing benefit, council tax benefit etc

[Zero Liability]

NICs at work.



Not surprised by this at all, however. The other solution would've been to print money to pay out the SSP, which they may do anyway.

[Ticktock]

with the promise of some rest bite at the end at the time

I think legally you're meant to get a rest bite at least once for each 8 hours worked.

Myself, I'm looking forward to a respite from poor literacy.

[scooterscot]

When 65 was decided as the state pension age, not that many people lived beyond 70, so we were funding everyone for 5 years or so.

Now the average is over 80. Funding everyone for more than 15 years is simply unaffordable.

If you know of any other viable solution for affording a state pension, let us know.

More or less for this reason I gave up the 9-5 job in search of something better, such as freelancing. I became completely disillusioned with idea of pressing my nose against the grindstone day in day out with the promise of some rest bite at the end at the time most likely my health starts giving in. Yet somehow I'm supposed to enjoy those final years.

No Sir. Enjoy life now. Not tomorrow, start now and give a firm two fingers to anyone who tells you otherwise especially George.

[Martin at NixonWilliams]

A male in Blackpool life expectancy is 73.

[KentPhilip]

Yeah, someone I know who works full time in a care home, earning about 13-14k a year is a selfish ass for not getting an alternative job that pays more.

Are they able to get another job that pays more? If they can then yes they are being a little selfish sponging a little off the state, by receiving a pension greater than the contributions they made.

But it's hardly crime of the century

[Ticktock]

WMFS +2

Anyone who relies on the government (i.e. on an organization that steals money from people) is a selfish ass unless they have no alternative.

Yeah, someone I know who works full time in a care home, earning about 13-14k a year is a selfish ass for not getting an alternative job that pays more.

[AtW]

Whats to stop someone around 60 going on the sick and collecting benefits?

10 year waiting period to be seen by an NHS2 nurse...

HTH

[AtW]

There is no such thing as a finite amount of jobs. Otherwise Germany would have about 40 million more unemployed people than us.

Yes, but in Germany they are actually concerned about creating and KEEPING jobs in Germany, where as in UK outsourcing to safe a few quid in short term is what happens.

[KentPhilip]

This is a bollocks story and badly quoted.

Young people will have to work to 70 before they can retire. NO! Young people will have to work to 70 to receive a state pension. That's different.

The state pension is a pittance anyway so if you haven't squirrelled your own money away and retired early & expect the government to bail you out then damn right you should have to wait until 70. With that in mind though when you do reach 70 then if you've paid in all your life like a private pension then I believe you should get a lump sum back from the government AND a state pension.

WMFS +2

Anyone who relies on the government (i.e. on an organization that steals money from people) is a selfish ass unless they have no alternative.

[Doggy Styles]

This is a bollocks story and badly quoted.

Young people will have to work to 70 before they can retire. NO! Young people will have to work to 70 to receive a state pension. That's different.

The state pension is a pittance anyway so if you haven't squirrelled your own money away and retired early & expect the government to bail you out then damn right you should have to wait until 70. With that in mind though when you do reach 70 then if you've paid in all your life like a private pension then I believe you should get a lump sum back from the government AND a state pension.

WMFS +1

You can retire whenever you like as long as you have saved up to fund it.

If today's young people today ignore this, then they'll have to wait longer for a state pension. Sounds fair to me.

[russell]

Whats to stop someone around 60 going on the sick and collecting benefits?

[Doggy Styles]

How depressing is that. A male in Blackpool life expectancy is 73. Spend the pension wisely boys, all £32.89

When 65 was decided as the state pension age, not that many people lived beyond 70, so we were funding everyone for 5 years or so.

Now the average is over 80. Funding everyone for more than 15 years is simply unaffordable.

If you know of any other viable solution for affording a state pension, let us know.

[Doggy Styles]

How is people working an extra 5-10 years going to help with unemployment?

Easy. They will be buying more stuff and services, and thereby creating more work.

There is no such thing as a finite amount of jobs. Otherwise Germany would have about 40 million more unemployed people than us.