Reply to: Thank Heaven for John Reid

[mcquiggd]

You worry too much, Alf. Dr John Reid MP (pbuh) will sort it all out.

After a period of consultation.

[AlfredJPruffock]

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[AlfredJPruffock]

Mr Chertoff said the terror threat level had been raised to red, or severe - its highest level - for commercial flights originating in the UK and bound for the US.

It was raised to orange, or high, for the aviation system as a whole.

The general nationwide threat level remained unchanged at yellow, or elevated.

It has never been clear what specific precautions are triggered by each threat level, leading to widespread criticism that the system causes panic among the public without making it clear how they should respond.

Perfect.

Repeat the security drill after me ,OK ... Red Alert Yellow Alert Red Alert Yellow Alert Red Tehran Yellow Tehran Red Alert Yellow Alert Red Damuscus Yellow Damscus ...

[AlfredJPruffock]

You worry too much, Alf. Dr John Reid MP (pbuh) will sort it all out.

True , he is kind of laid back guy, very reassuring, mind you the police did find some hash in a house he owns recently, he sorted it out be saying he knew nothing about it.

[Lucifer Box]

You worry too much, Alf. Dr John Reid MP (pbuh) will sort it all out.

[AlfredJPruffock]

Apparently they weren't "proper" terrorists, just lovable amateurs, especially given most of them are at liberty today, even the murderers.

Right thanks for the correction LB.

Back in time again, here is what Prince Saud ,diplomat had to say of the pre invasion of Iraq, goodness he seemed to really have predicted the outcome ...


Regime change would lead to the destruction of Iraq, and would threaten to destabilise the entire Middle East region, Prince Saud said.


If the choice is you destroy Iraq in order to get Saddam Hussein, it is a self-defeating policy, isn't it? I mean, you destroy a country to get a person out - it doesn't work



Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal

"If change of regime comes with the destruction of Iraq, then you are solving one problem and creating five more problems.

"That is the consideration that we have to make, because we are living in the region. We will suffer the consequences of any military action."

Regime change can only be a possibility if it is done "indigenously", he said.

"There has never been in the history of the world a country in which a regime change happened at the bayonets of guns that has led to stability."

The worry is rising fundamentalism in America and the West - not in the Middle East, he said.

[Lucifer Box]

Surely he means since the end of the IRA campaign ?

Apparently they weren't "proper" terrorists, just lovable amateurs, especially given most of them are at liberty today, even the murderers.

[AlfredJPruffock]

I read with interest Mr Reids speech.

As for ... The UK might have to modify its freedoms in the short term in order to prevent their "misuse and abuse" by terrorists, John Reid has said.
He conceded that was never an easy request, but it was up to everyone to ask:

"What price our security, at what cost can we preserve our freedoms?"

Perhaps the answer to Mr Reids question should be none other than Benjamins Franklin statement of ...

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

This statement was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759)

Later Mr Reid states ...

The UK faced its "most sustained period of severe threat since the end of World War II", the home secretary warned.

Surely he means since the end of the IRA campaign ?

[AlfredJPruffock]

Get with the program Bogeyman, the UK is such old hat, its Airstrip One these days !


Lets go back in time a bit to the 7th Jan 2003



Tony Blair

The prime minister said the arrest of six people in London after the discovery of traces of the lethal toxin ricin underlined the threat from international terrorism and weapons of mass destruction.

He said it was "only a matter of time" before terrorists achieved nuclear capability.

Mr Blair's warning came as the UK announced the call up of 1,500 army reservists, with further deployments to follow, in readiness for possible war with Iraq.

'Listen back'

In a keynote speech on UK foreign policy, Mr Blair repeated his determination to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with United States President George Bush over Iraq.

But he also urged the US to broaden its global agenda and "listen back" to international opinion.

He said the price of UK influence in the White House was not that "we have obediently to do whatever the US asks".

And he promised he would never commit British troops to a war he thought was "wrong and unnecessary".

Mr Blair is under pressure from his own Labour MPs to justify support for US-led military action to topple Saddam Hussein.

Mr Blair said: "So when, as with Iraq, the international community through the UN makes a demand on a regime to disarm itself of weapons of mass destruction and that regime refuses, that regime threatens us.

"Unless the world takes a stand on this issue of weapons of mass destruction and sends out a clear signal, we will rue the consequences of our weakness.

"America should not be forced to take this issue on alone. We should all be part of it."

Mr Straw has since embarked on a tour of south-east Asia.

He is due to tell an audience in the world's most populous muslim nation, Indonesia, that Iraq's weapons of mass destruction could be as destructive for muslims as for people in the West.

"The consequences of a failure of nerve to deal with the threat by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction are potentially devastating for Muslims and non-Muslims alike."

[bogeyman]

BTW AGAIN Just read this snippet ....

At Glasgow airport, Michelle Standaloft, from Rothesay, said: "Everyone's quite calm now, but when you come and you see the police and everything, you are a bit concerned."

She added: "We know it's for our own benefit, in fact it's probably the safest day to fly."

Yes Alf. It's great to feel the strong protective arms of the state around you - and it's iron-clad grip on your throat and testicles.

Call me nostalgic, but this is not quite the country I remember growing up in.

[AlfredJPruffock]

Yes, Lucifer. I fully expect NL to pull the 'Red Alert' rabbit out of the hat whenever the headlines get a bit difficult for them, or they need to justify yet another gobbet of draconian legistation.

I expect General Elections may become a bit risky soon (plot exposed for massive sucide bombing campaign at the polling booths etc.) and will have to be postponed until the War on Terror(tm) is forwever won.

Get out now - while you still can.

Crikey!

Now I feel a bit of a muggins for turning my passport over to the Ministry of Freedom chaps, they said it was a routine measure.

BTW Whens the next Bin Laden video due for release, will Chavez be a guest terrorist in this one ?

BTW AGAIN Just read this snippet ....


At Glasgow airport, Michelle Standaloft, from Rothesay, said: "Everyone's quite calm now, but when you come and you see the police and everything, you are a bit concerned."

She added: "We know it's for our own benefit, in fact it's probably the safest day to fly."

Yes its all for your benefit Michelle, its great to live in a police state, I dont know about you but the sight of a policeman brandishing an automatic gun is very reassuring.

Or tanks outside Heathrow, rememeber that one ?

You cant be too careful these days ....

[Andyw]

Plus, of course, Gordon Brown's pronouncement earlier this week that he favours total state surveillance of citizens...

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THE KUNT !

[Lucifer Box]

Yes, Lucifer. I fully expect NL to pull the 'Red Alert' rabbit out of the hat whenever the headlines get a bit difficult for them, or they need to justify yet another gobbet of draconian legistation.

I expect General Elections may become a bit risky soon (plot exposed for massive sucide bombing campaign at the polling booths etc.) and will have to be postponed until the War on Terror(tm) is forwever won.

Get out now - while you still can.

Yes, Bogey. There was serious talk of postponing this year's local elections "indefinitely or until a better system of voting can be implemented", fortunately quickly shouted down. I suspect the government to be much emboldened now and a lot of groundwork is being laid for just this sort of announcement on public order grounds. I fear that should a very serious attack be staged - sorry, take place - a "Government of National Emergency" able to rule without reference to parliament would be implemented.

[hyperD]

Or treason, in NuLab speak.

I'm sure there will be a "Philip Green" dividend support fund tax for such crimes...

[Lucifer Box]

LB - don't you get this feeling that if you cook your own food and don't buy MacD's or buy processed food at Tesco's, that somehow you may be doing something that can only be described in Newspeak: as ownlife?

Or treason, in NuLab speak.