Reply to: Et Tu, UK? Anger Grows over British Spying in Berlin

[Churchill]

I would be amazed if all countries were not spying on each other, or at least trying to.

That goes without saying.

Spying and getting caught or being proved to have spied are completely different things.

[MyUserName]

I would be amazed if all countries were not spying on each other, or at least trying to.

[Churchill]

British Ambassador has been summoned to German Foreign Office in Berlin.

Mind you the Germans do have history for needing to be watched! :nazi:

[sasguru]

I wouldn't jump to conclusions, how do you know the German intelligence agencies didn't know? Just because it has been published in a UK rag, and is still only speculation, doesn't make it true, or does it? As every fule kno, believing the media make you a Mail reader...

I don't buy papers (or read them) but I did get the Windy Indy today purely for that scoop. On the basis that rags don't always lie, they do seem to have got some genuine news for a change.

[darmstadt]

Still highly embarrassing if a newspaper of the country spying on you reveals the secret rather than your own intelligence agencies knowing.
Heads ought to roll, really. It makes Germany look naïve and foolish.

I wouldn't jump to conclusions, how do you know the German intelligence agencies didn't know? Just because it has been published in a UK rag, and is still only speculation, doesn't make it true, or does it? As every fule kno, believing the media make you a Mail reader...

[Mich the Tester]

Still highly embarrassing if a newspaper of the country spying on you reveals the secret rather than your own intelligence agencies knowing.
Heads ought to roll, really. It makes Germany look naïve and foolish.

Heads won't roll; that's not the German way any more (thankfully, for those of us living in neighbouring countries). No, some people will be given inflated job titles in provincial towns and a few others might be given very generous early pension settlements.

ps I know you didn't mean executing people

[sasguru]

The Germans had lots of highly competent spies throughout the 20th century, but perhaps many of them had political affiliations that aren't really compatible with modern liberal democracy.

Still highly embarrassing if a newspaper of the country spying on you reveals the secret rather than your own intelligence agencies knowing.
Heads ought to roll, really. It makes Germany look naïve and foolish.

[Mich the Tester]

I was in Berlin the other week and found it interesting that you could walk right up to the American Embassy which only had a few police lounging around whereas the British Embassy had the whole road closed off and extremely high security, just wondering why they were so paranoid...

Well for a start they need to discourage all those British expats looking for basic services like passport renewals and stamped documents.

[Mich the Tester]

WGAS what the Krauts think? What can they do about it? Sweet FA.
Really you'd think they'd have improved their information processing capabilities since WW2. They need to sack their underperforming intelligence agencies and start again.
FFS It was a British newspaper that exposed it. The Kraut intelligence agencies hadn't a clue


haven't laffed so much in ages.

The Germans had lots of highly competent spies throughout the 20th century, but perhaps many of them had political affiliations that aren't really compatible with modern liberal democracy.

[darmstadt]

I was in Berlin the other week and found it interesting that you could walk right up to the American Embassy which only had a few police lounging around whereas the British Embassy had the whole road closed off and extremely high security, just wondering why they were so paranoid...

[MicrosoftBob]

Wow what a suprise, spies suspected of spying

Are they trying to win a NSS award ?

[Mich the Tester]

A hidden camera in Kristina Schröder's bathroom is a bit naughty but entirely understandable and it shouldn't lead to WW3.

[sasguru]

WGAS what the Krauts think? What can they do about it? Sweet FA.
Really you'd think they'd have improved their information processing capabilities since WW2. They need to sack their underperforming intelligence agencies and start again.
FFS It was a British newspaper that exposed it. The Kraut intelligence agencies hadn't a clue


haven't laffed so much in ages.

[scooterscot]

Don't you mean 'you sassenachs'?

Fair point - Schottlander spying on the German's? We're just not that paranoid I guess.

[Mich the Tester]

And they're surprised? We've probably got clones in the Bundestag.

Don't you mean 'you sassenachs'?