Reply to: What makes a leader

[Fungus]

Gawd bless you kind Sir Benno, it's ever so nice of you to help us poor souls it is, wot wiv our pustulant skin due to lack of pwoper nurishment, and our blackened teeth, and smelly unwashed clothes, and our ignorant working class minds. You's a weal gen'ulman you's is.

[benn0]

I think there's probably a bit of a clue in the name 'benn0'.

Take away a '0' and you get a Bennite. A head-in-the-clouds socialist born with a silver spoon in his gob and trying to assuage his guilt ever since. Goes around thinking he has the common touch, but actually has no idea about anything.

The above couldn't be further from the truth I'm afraid.

For what it's worth, my pathological hatred of twatcher, (not conservatism per se), is because of the way she rode roughshod over vast portions of the working classes. She had no qualms about destroying whole communities to suit her needs. She destroyed any sense of community this country ever had in favour of a 'me me me' mentality perfectly illustrated by the sad collection of geeks and nerds on this board.

That makes her a tyrant in my book and that of many many others.

Still, as long as you're alright then...

Cue a million posts telling me how we'd be a third world country if it wasn't for her.

[bogeyman]

I wont ask your reasons for your pathalogical hatred of Margaret Thatcher but perhaps you could enlighten us as to what the politics of this country should be? I would think that you are a Bliarite but I wont make assumptions.

I think there's probably a bit of a clue in the name 'benn0'.

Take away a '0' and you get a Bennite. A head-in-the-clouds socialist born with a silver spoon in his gob and trying to assuage his guilt ever since. Goes around thinking he has the common touch, but actually has no idea about anything.

[wendigo100]

I wouldn't bother Fungus. You cannot reason with hatred.

[Fungus]

Not long now before we can celebrate her demise.

I won't be celebrating her death.

I'd just like to wish her well in the next life.

So which is it?

Typical confused thinking from a socialist. How can you be taken seriously when you make contradictory statements in the same thread.

[John Galt]

I wont ask your reasons for your pathalogical hatred of Margaret Thatcher but perhaps you could enlighten us as to what the politics of this country should be? I would think that you are a Bliarite but I wont make assumptions.

[benn0]

I think we see in your reply why so many 'socialist paradises' have been so evil. I detest the policies of Blair, Brown etc, but I woud not for one minute celebrate their death. Whereas you, ...

And isn't it odd how socialist harp on about how nice they are, and how unpleasant Tories are. Such hypocrisy.

I won't be celebrating her death.

I'd just like to wish her well in the next life.

[Fungus]

Get your head from up her smelly arse and you'll see she was a tyrant.

Not long now before we can celebrate her demise.

I think we see in your reply why so many 'socialist paradises' have been so evil. I detest the policies of Blair, Brown etc, but I woud not for one minute celebrate their death. Whereas you, ...

And isn't it odd how socialist harp on about how nice they are, and how unpleasant Tories are. Such hypocrisy.

[Lucifer Box]

We declared war on Germany in order to save Europe from a Nazi tyranny, and could we really have done anything else? Were we really responsible for the 20 million dead Russians, the 6 million dead Jews, and the millions of others shot and gassed by the Nazis?

Yes we bankrupted ourselves, selling off overseas assets, often to America at cut down prices, to fund the purchase of arms and food, often from America, and America only entered the war when the Japanese launched a strike on their flleet in Hawaii. I wonder how well America did out of the war?

It seems to have been Britain's purpose to save the world from a succession of tyrants bent on global domination, going back to Napoleon at least, and probably much further, usually at her own expense while others just sat back and watched.


THE BRITISH EMPIRE (1497 - 1997)
'The empire on which the sun never sets'

Five centuries of energy, triumph and disaster, heroism and invention are too full to be explored here in the detail they deserve. What follows is a summary of the rise and fall of the largest empire the world has ever known. The influence of language, custom, law and tradition continues, but the British Empire came to an end on 30 June 1997, when Hong Kong passed back into Chinese ownership. It is astonishing to think that almost exactly 100 years before, on 20 June 1897, Queen Victoria celebrated her Diamond Jubilee of sixty years ruling 375 million subjects. The idea that the Empire would vanish only a century later would have been laughed at, though Rudyard Kipling saw that the world turns on, regardless of human achievement. His poem 'Recessional' was read to Victoria. These four lines are particularly poignant.

Far-called, our navies melt away -
On dune and headland sinks the fire -
Lo, all our pomp of yesterday
Is one with Nineveh and Tyre!

It has struck some that if an empire had to be broken against an enemy, Nazi Germany was a worthy cause. All the countries in the Empire sent men back for that conflict. They came from America, India, Canada, Nepal, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa - everywhere, in fact, where the people could claim a bond with Britain - to give their lives against a dark and terrible enemy. Perhaps that was the purpose of the British Empire - to be there at that time, when the future could have gone another way. As a legacy, perhaps that will do.

[djfoot]

What makes a leader?

Lot's of followers, clearly!

[benn0]

I see the forum's token rabid leftie is back.

As usual your statement is demolished by facts.

I think you will find that Thatcher listened to her colleagues and encouraged cabinet debate, so that she could form an informed opinion. Blair has the tendency to use cabinet to rubber stamp his decisions, having already made up his mind. And he appoints his mates to senior roles such as Lord Chancellor, rather than finding the most talented person for the job. It's Government by sofa. Even the civil service have criticised his style of sidelining the normal processes of democracy.

It's what happens when someone with a massive ego and not much talent gets to the head of government. He obtained a third in Law. Thatcher obtained a first in chemistry.

Get your head from up her smelly arse and you'll see she was a tyrant.

Not long now before we can celebrate her demise.

[Fungus]

I thought Adolf´s dad was dead when he grew up ... bit I could be talking the usual bollocks.

Anyway most of the deaths during WW2 can be laid at Churchills feet - it was not our war....& certainly we got nothing out of it except being a bankrupt nation & helping America & Russia becoming superpowers.

& aren´t spanish keyboards great -I can do stuff like Ç & ¿ on-the-fly!!

We declared war on Germany in order to save Europe from a Nazi tyranny, and could we really have done anything else? Were we really responsible for the 20 million dead Russians, the 6 million dead Jews, and the millions of others shot and gassed by the Nazis?

Yes we bankrupted ourselves, selling off overseas assets, often to America at cut down prices, to fund the purchase of arms and food, often from America, and America only entered the war when the Japanese launched a strike on their flleet in Hawaii. I wonder how well America did out of the war?

[Fungus]

Not all.....


"Margaret Thatcher's father was a grocer who was also heavily involved in local politics. He was a powerful influence on her and later became the Mayor of Grantham."

I see the forum's token rabid leftie is back.

As usual your statement is demolished by facts.

I think you will find that Thatcher listened to her colleagues and encouraged cabinet debate, so that she could form an informed opinion. Blair has the tendency to use cabinet to rubber stamp his decisions, having already made up his mind. And he appoints his mates to senior roles such as Lord Chancellor, rather than finding the most talented person for the job. It's Government by sofa. Even the civil service have criticised his style of sidelining the normal processes of democracy.

It's what happens when someone with a massive ego and not much talent gets to the head of government. He obtained a third in Law. Thatcher obtained a first in chemistry.

[Helios]

I thought Adolf´s dad was dead when he grew up ... bit I could be talking the usual bollocks.

Anyway most of the deaths during WW2 can be laid at Churchills feet - it was not our war....& certainly we got nothing out of it except being a bankrupt nation & helping America & Russia becoming superpowers.

& aren´t spanish keyboards great -I can do stuff like Ç & ¿ on-the-fly!!

If it was not your war why join it. Or was it an excuse for football hooligans to walk round with rifles rather than beer bottles? Just a 1940's world cup i suppose.

[Helios]

In Hitler's case, it's because his name is an anagram of "a hot, ill Fred".

He never got over that.

Not even funny.

Stick to watching big brother and reading hello magazine.

When there is a will there is a way. Tell a lie enough times and everyone will believe it. Nothing to do with charisma. Give a broken man an ak47 and a shinny uniform and he will do your bidding.