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[AtW]

I don't think that backs up your statement that more or less no one is buying pcs. But some good points and links.

I'll meet you half way - almost nobody is buying new PCs anymore.

[woohoo]

In Q2 2013 over 200 mln smartphones were sold, tablets - 45 mln, these are the new PCs that sell.

In the old PC world number of shipped units was 76 mln.

Tablets, smartphones ain't that cheap - some of them more expensive than a pretty powerful PC, and people happy to change those frequently.

So there we have it - 250 mln of new PCs vs 76 mln old PCs.

And that's why old PCs no longer selling even though there are sales per se.

I don't think that backs up your statement that more or less no one is buying pcs. But some good points and links.

[AtW]

You made a daft statement and rather than fessing up to that, you continue to make even more stupid statements.

In Q2 2013 over 200 mln smartphones were sold, tablets - 45 mln, these are the new PCs that sell.

In the old PC world number of shipped units was 76 mln.

Tablets, smartphones ain't that cheap - some of them more expensive than a pretty powerful PC, and people happy to change those frequently.

So there we have it - 250 mln of new PCs vs 76 mln old PCs.

And that's why old PCs no longer selling even though there are sales per se.

[woohoo]

Did you every consider that if so many people are saying that Win8 is a pile of crap then maybe it is, in fact, a pile of crap?


I've been using Windows, Macintosh and Unix systems for over 20 years and I like to think I understand these systems reasonably well.

Recently, I was shopping for a new laptop and I took a look at Windows 8 but couldn't make head nor tail of it.

So I brought a Macbook instead - and it turns out to be a good choice...

I've considered it, but people also like it. So not everyone thinks its crap.

I also have a MacBook pro, I like it. I wasn't familiar with the os when I tried it in the shop but figured after a while I would figure it out. Though I tend to boot into windows 7 on it because I prefer that os. Doesn't make the mac os crap though.

[woohoo]

More or less all of them.

You made a daft statement and rather than fessing up to that, you continue to make even more stupid statements.

[scooterscot]

So basically <don't you just love when someone says that in a presentation? Or in general?> people are shafted because a PC supplier only supplies a one size fits all.

microshaft had it's day. Still use XP for PTC/matlab software but other than that not for nothing else.

[AtW]

Which manufacturers have said that people are more or less not buying PC's?

More or less all of them.

[Wanderer]

I really find it hard to understand when people say win 8 is a pile of crap.

Did you every consider that if so many people are saying that Win8 is a pile of crap then maybe it is, in fact, a pile of crap?


I've been using Windows, Macintosh and Unix systems for over 20 years and I like to think I understand these systems reasonably well.

Recently, I was shopping for a new laptop and I took a look at Windows 8 but couldn't make head nor tail of it.

So I brought a Macbook instead - and it turns out to be a good choice...

[woohoo]

Manufacturers certainly feel that way - you should walk in to PC World and take a note what people are buying before Xmas, just ask staff there what sells.

People are replacing failed PCs but purchasing cycles have increased considerably - there is no compelling reason to upgrade anymore unless you have 5+ years old PC.

Most of new popular, exciting software isn't done for desktop - other than games (and PC games market is in decline due to piracy).

Intel knows it, just check how much they now charge for server chips - $3-4k USD is not unusual anymore for top end Xeon, they are shifting burden of cost to the "cloud" - people access services via thin clients, so Intel wants its cut from those who host and sell those services.

Your still getting confused between facts and opinions. You haven't backed up your statement about people more or less not buying PC's. I'm not going to visit PC world and speak to them to help validate your daft statement.

Which manufacturers have said that people are more or less not buying PC's?

[AtW]

that's much different from you daft statement.

Manufacturers certainly feel that way - you should walk in to PC World and take a note what people are buying before Xmas, just ask staff there what sells.

People are replacing failed PCs but purchasing cycles have increased considerably - there is no compelling reason to upgrade anymore unless you have 5+ years old PC.

Most of new popular, exciting software isn't done for desktop - other than games (and PC games market is in decline due to piracy).

Intel knows it, just check how much they now charge for server chips - $3-4k USD is not unusual anymore for top end Xeon, they are shifting burden of cost to the "cloud" - people access services via thin clients, so Intel wants its cut from those who host and sell those services.

[woohoo]

Except that people more or less stopped buying PCs/laptops

Well, they still do buy PCs - smartphones, tablets but those ain't Wintel ones...

It's my pet hate when people say stupid things without a link. People haven't more or less stopped buying pcs. PC market has suffered a sustained decline but that's much different from you daft statement.

[woohoo]

I really find it hard to understand when people say win 8 is a pile of crap.

I've met a few people that really hate Microsoft and will argue the toss about the merits of Linux, SQL Server v Oracle etc.

So I'm wondering if it's the same kind of thing here, MS haters?

[AtW]

It's not loyalty to Microsoft that makes people buy PCs/laptops; they just buy PCs/laptops. It's not like there's really an alternative to Windows.

Except that people more or less stopped buying PCs/laptops

Well, they still do buy PCs - smartphones, tablets but those ain't Wintel ones...

[VectraMan]

It's not loyalty to Microsoft that makes people buy PCs/laptops; they just buy PCs/laptops. It's not like there's really an alternative to Windows.

I think now Ballmer's going, MS will make a U-turn and we'll have "Windows 8 desktop edition", or some such thing that allows them to remove (or at least hide) Metro, and then it'll be fine. MS's major strength has to be all those millions of business desktop users, so trying to sell them a tablet OS is downright suicidal, whereas a touchscreen version of Windows for tablets was probably the right strategy for the home user market.

[administrator]

Two reasons:

1) OEMs put it into new PCs because old versions are discontinued

2) Running legacy software

Both reasons are now in decline.

Exactly, can't get new PCs from the major outlets with anything other than Win8. I bought a cheap laptop just as Win8 was coming in and the retailers were trying to shift the old Win7 stock. I had a feeling MS would follow their good release / bad release pattern...