We'll all pull together

[EternalOptimist]

so they weren't stopped before they even got started by the ice that was not supposed to be there ?


meanwhile, climate scientists try to weasel their way out of their crappy predictions on ice
maybe it's natural variability - send more money quick

[pjclarke]

From the kyak trip website :-

Strange weather has defined the year we are told. It’s been colder than usual and the ice has been very slow in going out. Climate change critics may quickly point this out as a damning argument but the reality of climate change is not reflected in specific anomaly but rather in overall trend.

Uh-huh



Oh, and the price increases to reduce emissions are tiny compared to the fluctuations in energy costs due to our reliance on fossil fuel and the implicit geopolitics and resource constraints, for example in the three years to 2006, the wholesale gas price rose from 20p a therm to 70p – an increase of 350%. Green measures are insignificant by comparison.

Oh and 'catastrophic' AGW is an emotive and unscientific straw man. You won't find the word anywhere in the IPCC reports.

[KentPhilip]

How about growing, on a massive scale, many square miles of seaweed floating on the sea in tropical locations. I bet it'll grow real quick, then it can be dried, cut up into fine powder, and burned like coal.

[Troll]

Only whilst we're in the grip of the big oil companies and energy producers (which granted could be a while more yet) but I can see a day where people power their homes from solar cells all over their house and garden, and power their cars from some kind of scalable algae-to-ethanol-contraption they made from freely available bits off ebay.

I think that's one particular cat that won't be able to stay in a bag of any Govt/BigCos making.

Water to Hydrogen via solar seems the way to go

[rl4engc]

Can only get worse

Only whilst we're in the grip of the big oil companies and energy producers (which granted could be a while more yet) but I can see a day where people power their homes from solar cells all over their house and garden, and power their cars from some kind of scalable algae-to-ethanol-contraption they made from freely available bits off ebay.

I think that's one particular cat that won't be able to stay in a bag of any Govt/BigCos making.

[rl4engc]

Catastrophic anthropomorphic global warming. aka alarmism

I was bored at work once so went to the Met Office website and pulled in all the raw data they have for the last 100 or so years weather, by month, for each region of the UK. Average temperatures, rainfall, sunshine hours, days with >1mm.

Loaded it all in to a SQL Database and knocked up some SSRS reports, expecting there to be a marked rise in temparatures, and huge increase in rainfall what with all this "Extreme Weather" the news and politicians would have you believe. I even added 12/60 month SMA's, graphs to compare by decade (i.e. 40's v 50's v 70's v 80's v 90's etc)

The results? It looked like white noise. A slight drifting up of temperatures (SMA60 i.e. 5 years) from about 1987 to 2007, but it's been tailing off ever since, and the SMA60 average temp is about the same now as it's been in (checks graphs..) 1991, 1961, 1949.

Point is, I'm not a Climate Scientist but I can and do turn raw data into human readable form, and to anyone's eye there is no ramping up in temperatures over the last 100 or so years. Not even a blip during 39-45 when a lot of CO2 would have been produced.

I recycle and don't like waste as much as the next man but completely disagree with this 'taxing everything and using the CO2 card' bulltulip.

[Troll]

heh heh

Catastrophic anthropomorphic global warming. aka alarmism

it's what is putting £100 on everyones energy bill right now, which is why it is no joke. It's distorting energy policy in a grotesque way. plus getting blisters on some rowers hands

FYI they had Exec from eon on t'radio this morning explaining why the governments estimates of the rate of increase in household energy bills may actually be understated

Can only get worse

[SimonMac]

Btw to eo, the op, cagw stands for: Catastrophic anthropogenic global warming

ok, tft, ttfn

[EternalOptimist]

BTW to EO, the OP, CAGW stands for: Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming

correct

[KentPhilip]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen...vernment_Waste

BTW to EO, the OP, CAGW stands for: Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming

[EternalOptimist]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen...vernment_Waste

heh heh

Catastrophic anthropomorphic global warming. aka alarmism

it's what is putting £100 on everyones energy bill right now, which is why it is no joke. It's distorting energy policy in a grotesque way. plus getting blisters on some rowers hands

[SimonMac]

Four rowers decided to row the Northwest passage to show the devastating effect of CAGW on the ice. The BBC etc had said that the arctic could be ice free in the summer by 2013.
They didn't get far before they were stopped by the ice

The reason for all the ice ? CAGW has made it a lot colder and has caused a large ice anomaly

So if they get through the NWP, it proves CAGW, and if they cant even get started it proves CAGW

There is some serious doublethink going on in these alarmists heads.

ten out of ten for effort and ten out of ten for a good adventure though


the route is not ready for you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen...vernment_Waste

[EternalOptimist]

Four rowers decided to row the Northwest passage to show the devastating effect of CAGW on the ice. The BBC etc had said that the arctic could be ice free in the summer by 2013.
They didn't get far before they were stopped by the ice

The reason for all the ice ? CAGW has made it a lot colder and has caused a large ice anomaly

So if they get through the NWP, it proves CAGW, and if they cant even get started it proves CAGW

There is some serious doublethink going on in these alarmists heads.

ten out of ten for effort and ten out of ten for a good adventure though


the route is not ready for you