Reply to: Here we go again...

[AtW]

Electricity is a highly transferable energy source, so if all your new transport is electrically-powered, it can use electricity from anywhere - wind farms, nuclear, hydro - when it becomes available.

Unfortunately its not that easy - say take National Grid, nicely allowing to transfer electricity around... can't be bad, right? Well, electricity does not get moved over wires for free - you do lose some of it and I heard on the radio that about 66% of electicity is actually lost in national grid, that's pretty hefty loss.

[wendigo100]

Main issue is burning of fossil fuels.
Everyone in the world knows these are of a FINITE supply and will start to run out in the next few decades (a blink of an eye in global timescales).
Other means of transportation and energy generation are essentially Carbon neutral.
Therefore we will soon (in global terms) be in a position of using far more CO2 then we are producing and the world climate will adjust accordingly. So whether we use it now or eke it out for an extra 20 years makes no difference.

Excellent point. On the one hand we have worriers about exponential use of fossil fuels, on the other we have worriers about fossil fuels running out.

[wendigo100]

Yeah, like electric trains... problem is that electricity is generated with CO2 emissions.

Alexei, pardon me for saying so, but that is the standard but dim response of rabid greenies.

Electricity is a highly transferable energy source, so if all your new transport is electrically-powered, it can use electricity from anywhere - wind farms, nuclear, hydro - when it becomes available.

I heard a greenie a few days ago on the radio saying that nuclear power stations will not be much use because most of our homes are heated by gas. I'll leave you to work out the lack of foresight that went into that remark.

[The Master]

The Solution Is...

...drink more Pimms and enjoy the warm weather.

[AtW]

Other means of transportation and energy generation are essentially Carbon neutral.

Yeah, like electric trains... problem is that electricity is generated with CO2 emissions.

[lukemg]

Ok

Main issue is burning of fossil fuels.
Everyone in the world knows these are of a FINITE supply and will start to run out in the next few decades (a blink of an eye in global timescales).
Other means of transportation and energy generation are essentially Carbon neutral.
Therefore we will soon (in global terms) be in a position of using far more CO2 then we are producing and the world climate will adjust accordingly. So whether we use it now or eke it out for an extra 20 years makes no difference.
Major issue for me is the inability of the earth to sustain an artificially high human population growing exponentially, elevated through cheating the normal constraints on animal population growth through e.g. health care, centralisation of food production, provision of water and energy. I expect a natural adjustment to this through bird flu or similar to wipe out huge swathes of CO2 generators i.e. humans.

[AtW]

PUG is fine, even though I do now appreciate the meaning of word "build quality", now I don't even rule out buying Lexus!

[shaunbhoy]

How is your CO2 polluting Gas Guzzler doing shaun-bhoy? Do you get enough money left after refuel to buy bread and water for your numerous family?

Just fine AtW. I don't pay for the fuel either as it is fully expensed. Plenty of money left over for Clan Shaunbhoy!
How is the PUG? Is it true that it would need a major service and valet to be allowed into the scrappies?

[Phoenix]

CO2!!!!!!! What the feck about Carbon?

[AtW]

How is your CO2 polluting Gas Guzzler doing shaun-bhoy? Do you get enough money left after refuel to buy bread and water for your numerous family?

[shaunbhoy]

Well, my wee car has got 110 horses in it...

Yes, and is navigated by 1 horse's @rse. Often within the relevant speed limit!

[AtW]

How far would you get in a car on a cow's @rse-full of methane? How do you collect it?

Well, my wee car has got 110 horses in it...

[wendigo100]

So, is the solution to plant billions of trees instead of cutting them down, thus removing the CO2 and then burning methane as a fuel?

How far would you get in a car on a cow's @rse-full of methane? How do you collect it?

[The Lone Gunman]

So, is the solution to plant billions of trees instead of cutting them down, thus removing the CO2 and then burning methane as a fuel?

[AtW]

DimPrawn is whoring for ExxonMobil, and I claim my £50!