Reply to: One Billion Rising

[formant]

I fail to see why they cannot simply support victims of violence, regardless of their gender.

Agreed.

I just can't support anything that seems to focus on women only.

My other half was beaten up by his ex-wife in the street (in front of the kids). She tried to strangle him and repeatedly hit him in the face. Didn't cause much physical damage of course because a 5ft5in emaciated woman just won't cause too much harm to a 6ft muscular guy with just her bare hands, but it's pretty obvious that she was trying to get him to fight back so that she could later play the victim. He didn't though, so that plan didn't pan out too well for her.

Anyway, the police told him that if he pressed charges that would "break her" and effectively bullied him into leaving it as an ARD/formal caution. Doubt a woman in his position would get treated that way. When in court over child residence the judge told him to get over it and that he should have never taken the matter to the police - despite her causing similar scenes since.

[Mich the Tester]

Fair point, have editted the 'you' to 'their'. It might not be the case that they are agressively exluding certain victim groups but by publicly highlighting their group they are putting others in the shade and helping continue the stereotype that men do not suffer from domestic violence imho.

I fail to see why they cannot simply support victims of violence, regardless of their gender.

Fair point too, but you have to remember that in some parts of the world there seems to be an old cultural idea that violence against women is somehow more acceptable than other forms of violence, so I can understand highlighting that, but not at the exclusion of other victims of violence.

[MyUserName]

It's not MY protest but I don't believe they are actively excluding other victims of violence, simply choosing to highlight one (large) group of victims of crimes that are still too common.

Fair point, have editted the 'you' to 'their'. It might not be the case that they are agressively exluding certain victim groups but by publicly highlighting their group they are putting others in the shade and helping continue the stereotype that men do not suffer from domestic violence imho.

I fail to see why they cannot simply support victims of violence, regardless of their gender.

[Mich the Tester]

But you are chosing to exclude those victims from your protest. I would feel the same if there was a march to protest against violence against white people.

It's not MY protest but I don't believe they are actively excluding other victims of violence, simply choosing to highlight one (large) group of victims of crimes that are still too common.

[MyUserName]

Indeed, Protesting about violence against women is not the same as saying violence against men is acceptable.

But the protesters are chosing to exclude those victims from their protest. I would feel the same if there was a march to protest against violence against white people.

Just so you don't feel left out:

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What about violence against men? | White Ribbon UK

Now get out there and do your own protest instead of just moaning about the inequality of it all!

Why not protest against people or either gender who suffer violence instead?

[Mich the Tester]

Just so you don't feel left out:

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What about violence against men? | White Ribbon UK

Now get out there and do your own protest instead of just moaning about the inequality of it all!

Indeed, Protesting about violence against women is not the same as saying violence against men is acceptable.

[darmstadt]

Just so you don't feel left out:

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What about violence against men? | White Ribbon UK

Now get out there and do your own protest instead of just moaning about the inequality of it all!

[Mich the Tester]

The point is that "Domestic Abuse Against Women" has been done to death. We're all aware that it's not acceptable and I'm pretty sure that the number of incidents have gone down markedly in the past 50 years.

You are, I am, probably most of us in the west are, but still it goes on and in some places men seem to be less aware.

[MyUserName]

The point is that "Domestic Abuse Against Women" has been done to death. We're all aware that it's not acceptable and I'm pretty sure that the number of incidents have gone down markedly in the past 50 years.

Awareness of "Domestic Abuse Against Men" really does need to be raised and the offending women given a bloody good slap!

A few years ago I knew a guy who was being regularly beaten by his new wife. The police and people generally did not care, apparently people who witnessed it thought it was funny. She had to attack him with a knife before the police did anything about it.

If he was the one hitting her then I am sure he would have been hammered by bystanders, the police etc immediately. Luckily he was never badly injured but that is not because she was not trying!

[SupremeSpod]

The point is that "Domestic Abuse Against Women" has been done to death. We're all aware that it's not acceptable and I'm pretty sure that the number of incidents have gone down markedly in the past 50 years.

Awareness of "Domestic Abuse Against Men" really does need to be raised and the offending women given a bloody good slap!

[Mich the Tester]

I dont recall saying anything about complaining.

To be honest Mich you are the sort of person Id cross the street to avoid in real life, so lets let the forum reflect real life from now on.

No it's alright, I'm just trying to clarify your reasoning. I'm a bit thick, you see, so I can't always follow the kind of advanced reasoning that says if you stop protesting about violence against women, there'll be less violence against women. I'm sure you can provide a most illuminating explanation that would make me, and indeed the rest of CUK, just a little bit less thick.

[Mich the Tester]

I dont recall saying anything about complaining.

Well, 'protesting' then.

Are you saying that if women stop protesting about violence against women, they'll not suffer as much violence?

[escapeUK]

Right, so if women stop complaining about violence against women, there'll be less violence against women. Is that what you're trying to say?

I dont recall saying anything about complaining.

To be honest Mich you are the sort of person Id cross the street to avoid in real life, so lets let the forum reflect real life from now on.

[Mich the Tester]

Have a think about it, Im sure you'll work it out.

Right, so if women stop complaining about violence against women, there'll be less violence against women. Is that what you're trying to say?

[escapeUK]

Who's supposed to shut up?

Have a think about it, Im sure you'll work it out.