Reply to: A rough method of working out your day rate

[Francko]

- Variety of clients

Not only for contractors

- Being able to walk if you don't like a place, without fear of how it will look on your CV

Not only for contractors

- Extended time off (not a couple of weeks at a time booked 12 months in advance) - especially useful after a stressful deployment when you feel like jacking it all in.

Not for all contractors, in many case an extended time off simply means you have to find a new contract

- No need to engage with other f uckwits if you don't wish to, or bend over for the line manager on a daily basis. No need to turn up to tiresome social events in your own time, when you really want to be with your real friends

You don't have to as a permie, I never turn up to social events.

- No need to be first in / last out and get no cash for doing so

No permie is being forced to.

- Master of one's own destiny. Looking back at ten years of variety without thinking where did it all go?

Oh well that applies to everybody.

[Francko]

It strikes me as an excercise in futility coming onto an IT contractors board and trying to argue that being permie is better ... don't you have you're own 'special needs' forum or are you to busy tonguing your bosses choclate starfish in a misguided attempt to wangle a bigger bonus or a good performance review ...

Far from me saying something like this as I have already decided that sometimes next year I will go contracting again.

However, I don't like when people say that there are so many intangible benefits rather than money and perhaps they can accept a lower rate for that. The rate is the most important thing and what should discriminate. There is no way that any contractor should accept a similar or lower rate than a permie.

[Troll]

It strikes me as an excercise in futility coming onto an IT contractors board and trying to argue that being permie is better ... don't you have you're own 'special needs' forum or are you to busy tonguing your bosses choclate starfish in a misguided attempt to wangle a bigger bonus or a good performance review ...

Excellent

[snaw]

It strikes me as an excercise in futility coming onto an IT contractors board and trying to argue that being permie is better ... don't you have you're own 'special needs' forum or are you to busy tonguing your bosses choclate starfish in a misguided attempt to wangle a bigger bonus or a good performance review ...

[Shimano105]

- Variety of clients

- Being able to walk if you don't like a place, without fear of how it will look on your CV

- Extended time off (not a couple of weeks at a time booked 12 months in advance) - especially useful after a stressful deployment when you feel like jacking it all in.

- No need to engage with other f uckwits if you don't wish to, or bend over for the line manager on a daily basis. No need to turn up to tiresome social events in your own time, when you really want to be with your real friends

- No need to be first in / last out and get no cash for doing so

- Master of one's own destiny. Looking back at ten years of variety without thinking where did it all go?

Can't see a permie job providing any of the above....

[chunkymonkey]

I was actually gardening (if you can call that work) and am looking forward to my next 2 weeks until my course is ready, then possibly another couple of weeks to rejig and get that well paid contract then on a real holiday, do I want to go back to being a permie - I dont think so, my mortgage is paid, I have time at home - not working and I can tell the ignorant line manager pencil pusher where to go.

The days when a permie had more benefits and job security than a contractor are over, vive le contracteur

[Francko]

Not really. I'm off back to the garden for another pina colada. My days work is done...

So you are probably talking about working from home. Well I do it about 20 days a year, some people here do it 30-40% of the days.

[Fleetwood]

day's

[ratewhore]

Not really. I'm off back to the garden for another pina colada. My days work is done...

[Francko]

If you can't see the advantages then you're in the right place as a permie.

The intangible benefits? Now, you are talking as a permie.

[ratewhore]

If you can't see the advantages then you're in the right place as a permie.

[Francko]

The real contractor is the one who sees more advantages to the contractor lifestyle than the cash...

...like????? What's the contractor lifestyle that you can't do it as a permie? Why worrying about performance review if you're happy with your salary? You will still need to keep good references even if you are contractor for future contracts so I can't really see the difference. And many companies offer you more than 20 days (I have 30 for example).

[ratewhore]

If they offer you a rate of 40 pounds an hour and a permie job of 100k a year, would you still go contracting? I think it is quite reasonable to take as a starting point your equivalent permie salary.

p.s. the real contractor is the one who doesn't believe in anything and he's also ready to sell himself as a permie should the daily rate be more.

Total dogsh1te. A £100K permie position with 20 days holiday a year, tugging your forelock to a line manager on a daily basis while worrying about your annual appraisal? I don't think so.

The real contractor is the one who sees more advantages to the contractor lifestyle than the cash...

[Troll]

I tend to use the trusted method of Rolex watches @week /5

HTH

[Francko]

erm, as a contractor on a day rate, why would I want to know this information? Is it for permies who aspire to be contractors but in the end find reasons not to?

If they offer you a rate of 40 pounds an hour and a permie job of 100k a year, would you still go contracting? I think it is quite reasonable to take as a starting point your equivalent permie salary.

p.s. the real contractor is the one who doesn't believe in anything and he's also ready to sell himself as a permie should the daily rate be more.