Reply to: Vase, the pronunciation of...

[ZARDOZ]

Proper? Original maybe, but the language evolves.

IIRC using an "ize" suffix instead if "ise" and spelling humour etc as humor (so-called Americanisms) were also correct some 400 years ago.

Interesting. Can 'ar' be considered right because it is newer or is tradition more important?

There's only one way to sort this FIGHT!

[Project Monkey]

Varz,barth,tomarto, parb, fark.

Anything else is plebby, common, Northern or American.

Sorry, but that's just a noise!

[Platypus]

So the proper English pronunciation is not to add the r to words.

Proper? Original maybe, but the language evolves.

IIRC using an "ize" suffix instead if "ise" and spelling humour etc as humor (so-called Americanisms) were also correct some 400 years ago.

[Bagpuss]

The original pronunciation of Bath was "Baff" it was bastardized (mainly by Londoners) to "Baarf" in the 1600s along with some other words where a redundant r was added. So the proper English pronunciation is not to add the r to words.

[Platypus]

I also get the mick taken out of me for pronouncing the 'h' in where, what, why. Round these parts it's wear, watt and wye - and whales and wales are homophones.

In that case, enjoy this:

[sasguru]

Except - assuming you're all non-rhotic Southerners - the pseudophonetic transcription should be more like vahs/bahth/tomahto/etc.

Cause you're not actually adding an intervocalic /r/. Your accent doesn't have an intervocalic /r/. (With the exception of the intrusive /r/ phenomenon in 'Pizza-r-Express' and the likes).

Quite right I was trying to specify the "ah" sound rather than the "ay" or "eh" sound.

[SupremeSpod]

Oi Formant, what about "Moet et Chandon"?

[mudskipper]

Only pedantic BBC newsreaders say wedNsday these days, with a weird little stop in the middle

[OwlHoot]

Wednesday or Wensday.

Only pedantic BBC newsreaders say wedNsday these days, with a weird little stop in the middle

BTW Until the 18th century "vase" was pronounced "vayse" in the UK (by cultured people), hence the surname Vasey pronounced "Vaysey".

A lot of Yank pronounciations, and even their southern accent, are more like how British was pronounced a couple of centuries ago.

[mudskipper]

Wednesday or Wensday.

[mudskipper]

Always pronounced that as tortus.

I guess I must just be posh.

[Cliphead]

Edit - And tortoise (tor-toys).

Always pronounced that as tortus.

[formant]

Varz,barth,tomarto, parb, fark.

Anything else is plebby, common, Northern or American.

Except - assuming you're all non-rhotic Southerners - the pseudophonetic transcription should be more like vahs/bahth/tomahto/etc.

Cause you're not actually adding an intervocalic /r/. Your accent doesn't have an intervocalic /r/. (With the exception of the intrusive /r/ phenomenon in 'Pizza-r-Express' and the likes).

[mudskipper]

I've always pronounced vase as vaz. Only English add an r in pronounciation which doesn't exist in the word itself.

This is true, although I don't think most actually say the 'r'. It's more v-ah-z.

I also get the mick taken out of me for pronouncing the 'h' in where, what, why. Round these parts it's wear, watt and wye - and whales and wales are homophones.

Edit - And tortoise (tor-toys).

[formant]

[vɑːz]