Reply to: England post-mortem

[threaded]

P.S. I also got my provisional license, at last I can drive Ferrari!

I drove a Mercedes 300 SL Gullwing with L plates on when I were but a lad. Insurance cost more than the car, that was before the prices of classic cars went silly, but still it was a sizable chunk of money to hand over.

[Dundeegeorge]

Nice one Alexei

P.S. I also got my provisional license, at last I can drive Ferrari!

You can now get enough points on your license to get banned while in 2nd gear. Mind you I doubt we could stand the whining if that happened, I still shudder remembering the fuss you kicked up when you only thought you'd been caught by a camera last time!!!!!!

[AtW]

P.S. I also got my provisional license, at last I can drive Ferrari!

[darmstadt]

By Theo Walcott Esq

By Theo Walcott Esq



I went to a place called Germany with my Uncle Sven and some other
grown up's. It is a country in Europe where a bad man called Adolf used
to live with his nazties, he does not live there anymore, Uncle Owen
does live there, and the grown up's say I cant talk about the bad man
as it will make Uncle Owen cry if I do. In Germany the grown ups are
going to play football.

On the aeroplane Uncle Sol sat next to me, he got me some toffee and
wants to be my friend, he works at the place where I do my YTS, so does
Uncle Freddy but him and Uncle Sol are not best friends anymore. Uncle
Owen met us at the airport, he talks foreign, Uncle Wayne, Uncle
Steven and Uncle David also talk foreign, my mum says Uncle David
talks like Orville, he is a duck, Uncle Sol say's uncle David wears
dresses and knickers, and asked me if I had ever worn them. Uncle Sol
got me some pop.

While the grown up's went to play football so I went shopping with
Auntie Vicky and some other girls she bought me a big ice cream and got
herself a little one but she said she was full before she had eaten any
and threw it away, then she got sick. She let me play with Brooklyn,
he is heavier than me.
She say's she used to be in a pop band and sang me one of her songs, I
think she was telling fibs.

I told Uncle Sol about my day out with Vicky and he looked sad, then he
bought me an even bigger ice cream with lots of hundred's & thousands on
it.
All the other grown up's have a girlfriend except Uncle Sol so he plays
with me while they go out. Uncle Sven says I must keep Uncle Sol happy,
that's why I got taken on holiday. The grown up's went to play Football
against somebody called Sweden, Uncle Sol was crying as Uncle Freddy
played for them and would not talk to him. Uncle Sol bought me lots of
toffee today and some crisps. Uncle Michael hurt his knee by standing
up and had to go home to his mum for a plaster. Uncle Peter is a
giant, a proper giant like you see in books, he is rubbish at football
though.

Uncle Sol got me a present but I do not like it. He says all Germans
wear leather underpants and I should while we are here, they are too
tight for me.

All the grown up's started to call Uncle Wayne a pikey crunt who stood
on somebodys nads. He got shouted at by the referee. They are all
saying that we have to go home now. Uncle Sol was crying again and I
had to sit on his knee to make him stop. His mobile phone made me feel
sore.

[Dundeegeorge]

Alf, I'm fairly sure

that nobody on this board gives a flying fsck about the WAGs or all the tulip in the media. Why do you keep posting this tulip as if it matters?

[AlfredJPruffock]

Aye LG

its not just you who is frustrated with the English soccer players, spare a thought for WAG Cheryl




Cheryl, Ashley Cole's fiance, said: "It really annoys me when people try to call me a footballer's wife.

"Footballers' wives have no careers and live off their husbands' money. You see girls in clubs making a beeline for the footballers and it makes me sick."


Cheryl, 23, spent much of her time at the World Cup in Germany with Victoria Beckham, away from the other wives and girlfriends including Coleen McLoughlin, Elen Rives, Carly Zucker and Lisa Roughead.


She lashed out: "It's like a comedy. Everyone's so flash. It's like, 'Who's got the best watch on, who's got the best bag, which wife is dressed the best, which has got the best hair?'


"I'm like, 'I've got my own career.' I'll sit back and read the mags. I've got my own money, so if my husband's card gets declined I just whip out mine."


She said: "I love Victoria. She's just so witty and down i to earth. She's from a girl band and she's not a typical footballer's wife . She's very ambitious, so we have a lot in common. The first time I went to an England match to watch Ashley was just so embarrassing.


"All the other girls were really glammed up, then I walked in with chipped nail polish and wearing a jumper. I looked terrible.


"But Victoria was so welcoming. She wasn't intimidating or starry at all. We had a right laugh together."


Cheryl thinks it's "quite sweet" when she and Arsenal defender Ashley get called "the new Posh and Becks".


The singer, who is sorting out her wedding arrangements, is determined to pursue her pop career even when she becomes Mrs Cole.


She said: "I was in Girls Aloud before I met Ashley and have my own successful career.


"I'm not going to quit the band and sit around in the sun all day or go shopping with Ashley's plastic.


"If I'm going shopping I'll pay with the money I've worked hard for.


"I would die of embarrassment if I had to resort to taking boyfriend's cards.

[The Lone Gunman]

I strongly suspect it's the reverse. I wanted England to win, no if's or but's, and I was as pissed off (Well almost) as any English fan when he got sent off but at the time I thought it was deliberate and nothing I've seen since has made me change my mind. I don't think he meant to hit him in the nuts as such, but I do think he lashed out behind him, and given his previous I'm surprised anyone even doubts this. It was a straight red card, no matter what happened afterwards.

Agree on Portugal not deserving it, but for my money Englaand have been the biggest disappointments in this tournament, they have such great potential which was nowhere near realised - the only other team on par with underperforming is Brazil and they're getting deservedly slammed at hoome as well for their lacklustre showing.

As I said earlier, I may be biased but I have watched that a number of times. I think Rooney is a liability but on this occasion I can't see what he did. He could have gone down and got s free kick himself but he stayed on his feet and kept chasing the ball.
I suspect there was some intent but can't see it. At worst he knew the guy was behind him and put all his weight on that foot, but that foot had to come down somewhere.

You are right about England under performing. Again I am biased but as individuals I see most of them as being in the top 3 in their position in the world, some of them number 1, any manager would gladly have any of them in their team. So why the fook can't they play as a team for England. They just never do it.
I can forgive them having off days but they have only put in 3 maybe 4 good games in the last 10 years. They have been lucky in that they are good enough to progress in most competitions without realy trying but when it comes to needing a bit of flair and commitment they just can't do it.

[wendigo100]

Snaw, if Carvalho had his bollocks stamped on, which you suggest in horror is what happened, he would be in hospital. He would not be up and about as soon as the red card was shown.

Secondly, if Rooney had intended to stamp on Carvalho, he would have stamped on him properly. Given where Rooney's foot ended up, that would have been on his bollocks.

Therefore, there could have been no intent to stamp on Carvalho's bollocks.

We don't cheat enough.

[AlfredJPruffock]

Two magnificent goals have earned Italy a place in the finals, well done Italy.

The centre of Brussels was taken over by the Italians last night , the Italians being the thrid biggest ethnic group in Belgium after the Flemish and the French, amazing scenes and great to see the pretty Italian girls draped with the Italian flags in the motorcade which completley jammed central Brussels ast night.

For a moment I felt that I was back in Rome again, ah, how I miss Italy.

Life there was a curious love hate affair , rather like falling in love with a prostitute.

[snaw]

Snaw, I think your Scottish glasses are colouring what you saw.

Carvalho fell over behind Rooney. Rooney was off balance and put his foot down to gain some purchase. Carvalho's knackers just happened to be where he put his foot.
Rooney never took his eye of the ball. Rooney never stopped trying to win the ball.
I can't see how you can say this was deliberate.

I agree with you that we didn't deserve to win, but neither did Portugal. Nor have a number of other teams that have qualified.

I strongly suspect it's the reverse. I wanted England to win, no if's or but's, and I was as pissed off (Well almost) as any English fan when he got sent off but at the time I thought it was deliberate and nothing I've seen since has made me change my mind. I don't think he meant to hit him in the nuts as such, but I do think he lashed out behind him, and given his previous I'm surprised anyone even doubts this. It was a straight red card, no matter what happened afterwards.

Agree on Portugal not deserving it, but for my money Englaand have been the biggest disappointments in this tournament, they have such great potential which was nowhere near realised - the only other team on par with underperforming is Brazil and they're getting deservedly slammed at hoome as well for their lacklustre showing.

[Phoenix]

Snaw, I think your Scottish glasses are colouring what you saw.

Carvalho fell over behind Rooney. Rooney was off balance and put his foot down to gain some purchase. Carvalho's knackers just happened to be where he put his foot.
Rooney never took his eye of the ball. Rooney never stopped trying to win the ball.
I can't see how you can say this was deliberate.

I agree with you that we didn't deserve to win, but neither did Portugal. Nor have a number of other teams that have qualified.

The FA seem to agree!

"
FA prepare Rooney defence
Copyright Press Association Ltd. Wednesday, 5 July 2006
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The Football Association have promised to back Wayne Rooney's case as FIFA make their decision on his ban.

Rooney, sent off for violent conduct in Saturday's World Cup quarter-final against Portugal, is expected to hear his fate on Thursday.

The Manchester United striker insists he is innocent and the FA will support his argument in a written statement to FIFA's disciplinary committee.

Rooney, 20, is desperate to avoid a lengthy suspension which will rule him out of the beginning of the Euro 2008 qualifying campaign.

New England boss Steve McClaren is already without the injured Michael Owen for the start of the new season and Rooney's absence will be keenly felt.

Rooney and the FA will not issue an apology, however, because they are adamant he did not mean to stand on Portugal centre-half Ricardo Carvalho.

FA director of communications Adrian Bevington said: "Wayne has already made clear publicly he did not have any intention of making contact with Ricardo Carvalho.

"It is also worth noting that we believe there were one or two potential fouls against Wayne during the same move."

The feeling within the England camp is that referee Horacio Elizondo was put under pressure to show the red card by Portugal's players. They believe the Argentinian would not have reached for his red card until Rooney's United team-mate Cristiano Ronaldo rushed over to lead the complaints.

The FA will also ask FIFA to take into account the rough treatment Rooney received from several Portugal players in the moments prior to the flashpoint."

[The Lone Gunman]

Snaw, I think your Scottish glasses are colouring what you saw.

Carvalho fell over behind Rooney. Rooney was off balance and put his foot down to gain some purchase. Carvalho's knackers just happened to be where he put his foot.
Rooney never took his eye of the ball. Rooney never stopped trying to win the ball.
I can't see how you can say this was deliberate.

I agree with you that we didn't deserve to win, but neither did Portugal. Nor have a number of other teams that have qualified.

[snaw]

Stamped in the nuts? Tell me, if someone stamped on your nuts, would you be up and running about like a spring chicken one minute later? It is all play-acting, and you all get sucked in by it.

If the British played the diving-squealing game a bit better perhaps we'd have a better chance of winning these games. In fact, if I were Steve McClaren or Walter Smith, that would be the first addition to my training regime in the new season.

Sorry, you're suggesting that Ronney's foot didn't lash out behind him and connect with Carvalho's groin region - generally where most blokes nuts are located. Riiight. I wanted England to win, but I also have the benefit of being Scottish and not having the blinkers on.

Quite simply England didn't deserve to go through, there isn't a single English player who can hold his head high and say he played his best (Except for Hargreaves, and the possibly the two centre halves). Collectively as a team they were uninspiring, and never really played anything like the football they are capable of, which the management in part have to take some blame for.

IMHO if England are gonna win a tournament they have to take a leaf out of the German/Klinsman book and go out and play proper attacking football, and lose the shackles which seem to stop them performing at this level - that and maybe a few hard management decisions about dropping certain players (Lampard for starters).

[The Lone Gunman]

The Germans were already out when you wrote that. Tell you what though, it's anyone but Portugal for me too.

1. Cheating scum.
2. Surrender monkey cheating scum.
3. Cheese eating surrender monkey cheating scum.

I am supporting 2 but I suspect 3.

[wendigo100]

Want Germany to win, as my gf is supporting portugal and I'm pissed with them, the Ronaldo is a dirty player.

The Germans were already out when you wrote that. Tell you what though, it's anyone but Portugal for me too.