Reply to: ffs: Guantanamo suicides 'acts of war'

[threaded]

By lobbing ordnance? No sir, the nearest we must have got was 1940, and even then it was only the Germans.

Well, even the Germans eventually worked out they were going to be on a loser trying it that way. So now they're trying something called the EU.

[stackpole]

They do. I guess you've not noticed.

By lobbing ordnance? No sir, the nearest we must have got was 1940, and even then it was only the Germans.

[threaded]

I wonder what we would think if the bulk of the EU supported the destruction of England and the English people?

They do. I guess you've not noticed.

[stackpole]

We complain about mozzies over here, so I can't imagine what it must be like in Israel, surrounded by them.

I wonder what we would think if the bulk of the EU supported the destruction of England and the English people?

[Mailman]

You believe the Israelis? What a naive person.

Oh yeah, I forgot them palastinians where pillars of truth
...BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The firing of rockets into Israel is appalling. But there is no escaping the fact that Israel - via the IDF - routinely murders far more Palestinians than vica versa.

And why does Israel take out palastinian terrorists? Could it be because their stated goal is the total and utter destruction of the Israeli state? Could it be because them peace loving ayerabs keep detonating on buses and restaurants?

I know, to people like you this is all as the result of Israeli occupation of Egyptian and Syrian property mistakenly called Palastine.

But then again, why let reality get in the way of a good israeli hate'n aye fungus

Mailman

[Fungus]

According to a UN Mandate (1948) it is Israeli land. Palestine doesn't officially exist. Still, let's not let facts get in the way of a good rant.

Are you really that ignorant? Please, read some history.

Whether or not a bunch of nations who knew didly squat about the then mandate of Palestine could rule with any authority on its future was questionable. However, ignoring that, they ruled that a two state solution should be created, with Palestinian and Jewish areas. In practice Israel took a lot more, expelling hundreds of thousands of Arabs, with many fleeing in terror having heard stories (some true, some not), of massacres committed by Jews. Many terrorists were in teh first Israeli government and later ones including Menachem Begin. Israel took more land after the war in 1973. Gaza came from Egypt, and the West Bank came from Jordan.

"I don't have the time or the inclination for a "chicken & egg" style Israel-Palestine debate. Fwiw, I don't really take sides on the issue, but I do get wound up by the anti-Israel lobby who seem to think that any terrorism against Israel is entirely justified."

I find that sort of nonsense offensive. To criticise Israel is not anti-Israel. Just as to criticise the Arabs is not to be anti-Arab.

There are many people such as me who abhore the well documented murder of civilians, both Arab and Jew, by Palestinian terror groups. I think it is morally and strategically wrong. The firing of rockets into Israel is appalling. But there is no escaping the fact that Israel - via the IDF - routinely murders far more Palestinians than vica versa. Only recently they targeted some terrorists, and also murdered some innocent civilians including two children. And the blood thirsty bastards have the cheek to claim that such murders are justifiable. Not long ago an Arab woman standing in her front room in her house dropped dead after an IDF bullet passed through her. That is all too common.

Israel also controls the West Bank, with check points, routine humiliation of civilians, forced evacuation of Palestinians from their homes when land is wanted for Israeli Jews, and so on. It is said that 1/3 of Palestinian children are suffereing psychiatic disturbance from seeing so many people killed by Israeli troops. So it is no surprise that Israelis are hated by them.

The last time that the terror groups held a ceasefire, the IDF carried on killing militants. No surprise they eventually broke the ceasefire. It's clear that the Israeli government do not want peace, as then they will be able to forcibly take land, and retain American support. Unfortunately the Arabs are totally disorganised, with no clear central authority or strategy, and no organisation. And of course they murder whoever they do not like.

[Fungus]

IF you are going to throw something around as fact at least get it right. Your line should read;

Humus bombs a beach in Palastine - Islam on Islam again.

Mailman

You believe the Israelis? What a naive person.

Do you remember the unarmed UK peace activist - Tom Hurndell - murdered by an IDF sniper while wearing a high visibility overall and rescuing a Palestinian child caught in the open. The Israeli army investigated, and cleared the soldier. The gov. repeatedly stated that he was justifiably shot for being a terrorist. The family of the murdered man pushed and pushed, and eventually the Israeli courts investigated, and the soldier was sentenced for murder. Ironically he was an Arab. And not one superior officer was prosecuted.

What about the unarmed UN employee who was shot dead by an IDF sniper while in a UN compound in the West Bank? The gov. said he was justifiably shot for being a terrorist. In the UN compound?

There are plenty more murders of foreigners, and far far more of innocent Arabs.

The IDF routinely murders and tortures innocents as well as extremists.

[deforce]

I don't have the time or the inclination for a "chicken & egg" style Israel-Palestine debate.

I'd just like to add that it was the egg that came first.
I know this to be true, it's a genetics thing
Hope this helps you guys out.......

[ALM]

No. I was questioning your use of "Palestine" when technically it doesn't exist. That's all, sorry if you got confused. Besides, Israel has historically quoted the need to defend itself when refusing to comply with 242. In some ways you can see their point.

Oh, perhaps you were hallucinating because at no stage did I say 'Palestine'. I said 'Palestinian land'. It's very difficult for Palestine (the nation) to exist while the Israelis occupy the West Bank. Therein lies the problem. I wonder what the solution to this conundrum might be. I know it sounds outrageous, but perhaps the Israelis should feck off back behind their borders.

[ALM]

Didnt those lands belong to Egypt and Syria? Perhaps Israel should give the land back to them instead of to a fictional state

No. Unfortunately not. Nice idea though.

[Mordac]

You mean you just looked up Resolution 242 and realised you were chatting sh*t when you said "According to a UN Mandate (1948) it is Israeli land".

No. I was questioning your use of "Palestine" when technically it doesn't exist. That's all, sorry if you got confused. Besides, Israel has historically quoted the need to defend itself when refusing to comply with 242. In some ways you can see their point.

[Mailman]

I doubt it because you're obviously unaware that the UN passed resolution 242 in 1967 asking the Israelis to kindly withdraw from the 'occupied territories', something which, to this day, they have failed to do.

Didnt those lands belong to Egypt and Syria? Perhaps Israel should give the land back to them instead of to a fictional state

Once again though, why let little facts get in the way of a good rant

Mailman

[ALM]

I don't have the time or the inclination for a "chicken & egg" style Israel-Palestine debate. Fwiw, I don't really take sides on the issue, but I do get wound up by the anti-Israel lobby who seem to think that any terrorism against Israel is entirely justified.

You mean you just looked up Resolution 242 and realised you were chatting sh*t when you said "According to a UN Mandate (1948) it is Israeli land".

[Mordac]

I wonder why they have suffered so much at the hands of the terrorists? Hmmmm ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/...ts/1639522.stm

I don't have the time or the inclination for a "chicken & egg" style Israel-Palestine debate. Fwiw, I don't really take sides on the issue, but I do get wound up by the anti-Israel lobby who seem to think that any terrorism against Israel is entirely justified.

[ALM]

According to a UN Mandate (1948) it is Israeli land. Palestine doesn't officially exist. Still, let's not let facts get in the way of a good rant.

Oh really?! The fact that there is no nation called Palestine doesn't negate the Palestinians people right to the 'occupied territories'. Exactly what UN mandate in 1948 are you referring to and how is it relevant to the subject at hand? Do you even know yourself? I doubt it because you're obviously unaware that the UN passed resolution 242 in 1967 asking the Israelis to kindly withdraw from the 'occupied territories', something which, to this day, they have failed to do. They chose instead to build settlements on someone else land whilst attacking the rightful owners in refugee camps. I wonder why they have suffered so much at the hands of the terrorists? Hmmmm ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/...ts/1639522.stm