Reply to: Manager to developer ratio.

[SueEllen]

So who hired all those f... hopeless developers ?

But then they wouldn't have a job if the developers weren't f... hopeless.

[mos]

[QUOTE=TestMangler;1579330]That's because, generally, you developers are f***ing hopeless and require your hands held every step of the f***ing way.

So who hired all those f... hopeless developers ?

[jmo21]

And they are all (with the possible exception of the BA) your bosses, and have the authority to tell you how to do things, and exactly how long it should take you to do them.

And without you they would basically be managing thin air and producing thin air.

I wouldn't say bosses, but certainly they all have an opinion. I haven't been forced a certain way with anything from a tech point of view.

[AtW]

1/0 ratio

[darrenb]

Me the sole dev, 1 "team lead", useless ex-techie promoted out the way, 1 "architect" who sniffs around the edge of our integration points, 1 BA, 1 PM, the PM's "lead".

And they are all (with the possible exception of the BA) your bosses, and have the authority to tell you how to do things, and exactly how long it should take you to do them.

And without you they would basically be managing thin air and producing thin air.

[jmo21]

My team? 1 PM, 7 BAs and me the developer.

Man, thought I was unlucky!

Me the sole dev, 1 "team lead", useless ex-techie promoted out the way, 1 "architect" who sniffs around the edge of our integration points, 1 BA, 1 PM, the PM's "lead".

Could be worse though!

[IR35FanClub]

no more than half decent though; must keep testers in work!

LOL, as a tester that makes me suddenly remember whining about how crap the code is, and how the dev don't understand requirements properly - is actually a good thing. Or I'd be out of a job.

[doodab]

70k? I wouldn't get out of bed for that!

Not even to take a tulip?

[minestrone]

My team? 1 PM, 7 BAs and me the developer.

[insur]

70k? I wouldn't get out of bed for that!

Management are all permi - Not a bad salary IMO. Lost count the number of times I've heard: "Can't answer that question I'm afraid, as its technical"

How strange - a technical question in a technology company!

[insur]

That's because, generally, you developers are f***ing hopeless and require your hands held every step of the f***ing way.

It's pretty time consuming for us managers to have to listen to developers cry/whine/blubber about your jobs being outsourced, how you can't get a woman to sleep with you (despite your perceived high income) and how the other contractor that came in before you "Isn't very good".

Write some f***ing code, make sure it's half decent and hand it over to your manager to allow it to move out of fantasy land and into the rest of the end to end process (when it will doubtless come back to you to be re-written, cause it's crap).

if you need any further assistance, please feel free to ask a manager

Ouch - now that's some serious developer dislike.

[bless 'em all]

Those who actually manage account for about 30%. But they all pick up approx. 70k nonetheless.

70k? I wouldn't get out of bed for that!

[Mich the Tester]

Insur, when you get a hard on, do you call it an insurrection?

[insur]

Are we talking actual people who manage or people who call them self managers?

Those who actually manage account for about 30%. But they all pick up approx. 70k nonetheless.

[Mich the Tester]

That's because, generally, you developers are f***ing hopeless and require your hands held every step of the f***ing way.

It's pretty time consuming for us managers to have to listen to developers cry/whine/blubber about your jobs being outsourced, how you can't get a woman to sleep with you (despite your perceived high income) and how the other contractor that came in before you "Isn't very good".

Write some f***ing code, make sure it's half decent and hand it over to your manager to allow it to move out of fantasy land and into the rest of the end to end process (when it will doubtless come back to you to be re-written, cause it's crap).

if you need any further assistance, please feel free to ask a manager

no more than half decent though; must keep testers in work!