Reply to: England Vs Italy

[oscarose]

Nothing new here.

Spain and Germany are head and shoulders above the rest. I don't see their leagues overun with cheap foriegn imports.

Yes, the EPL good for sky sports (£) and the world wide audience but for the national team...

Nothing's changing soon...

Simples.

[Cliphead]

Let's look at the positives: England fared a bit better than Ireland and way better than Scotland.

Oh dear, another hurting w4nker.

[petergriffin]

Let's look at the positives: England fared a bit better than Ireland and way better than Scotland.

[BoredBloke]

Once again we squander our already slim chances by insisting on playing a "hero" that if anything, has only proved that hes a club player only.

Rooney == John Barnes on the international stage ; we are a better team without him.

Don't really agree with that. It's hard for a forward in a team that isn't performing. Rooney and Barnes both played in teams that were at their peak and dominated most games. At that level you forget the chances they waste because another is along soon enough. In a pi55 poor team like england they have to take their chances because they might not get another. I don't recall our front line covering itself in glory against France.

England must be easy to play against. The same old tired tactics that don't bring about any joy. The problem is that it is what the fans like in the domestic game and until that changes it's hard to see England changing!

[FiveTimes]

Well the dust has settled on another tournament.
Am I disappointed ? No
Am I surprised ? No

Did the FA adjust everyone's expectations by appointing Roy ? Possibly, but I think he drilled the team well and made some brave decisions. Although he wasn't brave enough to sub Rooney or Young.

The england players are just that - players. They are not a team and are a long way off it.

I've been impressed with a few players - Lescott & Johnson had good tournaments. And Carroll had a good few cameos appearances

There will have to be some more pain before a new team is born. The likes of Cahill, Smalling, Jones are all in with a shout at the back.
In the middle Wiltshire has a chance and more starts from the ox.
Up top we have the likes of Sturridge to come in.

We gave the Italians too much time and never closed them down, and that was probably due to being tired. Parker/Gerrard should have been rested against Sweden but we didn't have the players to rotate.

all in all what we got was the best we could have expected.

[oscarose]

But you have. You have excellent players like Gerrard, Terry or Rooney (well Gerrard isn't that young any longer but so isn't Pirlo). They just don't seem to work well together. I think the best player at the moment in the world is Ribery but he just couldn't perform well in a team where he's left alone all the time. Winning a tournament is not just about having the best players. You do need a big star or two but you will never have 11 stars and it's the other 9-10 players that let you win a competition and not the opposite.

[Francko]

Franko: Last post November 2011.

Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, will you?

Don't stare at it too much, you can't have it.

[Francko]

Well what do you expect from playing this rigid 442 system.

We needed more in midfield to be able to get more of a grip on the game and string some decent sequences of passes together.

That said, Lord knows where we're going to find a player with even a fraction of the quality of Pirlo among the emerging group of players. Jack Wilshere and Tom Cleverly perhaps?

But you have. You have excellent players like Gerrard, Terry or Rooney (well Gerrard isn't that young any longer but so isn't Pirlo). They just don't seem to work well together. I think the best player at the moment in the world is Ribery but he just couldn't perform well in a team where he's left alone all the time. Winning a tournament is not just about having the best players. You do need a big star or two but you will never have 11 stars and it's the other 9-10 players that let you win a competition and not the opposite.

[adubya]

The thing is really sad is this happens with the poorer teams as well as Italy, Spain etc....

I just don't get why they don't stop for a bit and try passing it? They have to just hoof it up towards Carroll/Welbeck. It's a complete and utter joke. They need to invest in the youth system and bring over some Spanish and Brazilian coaches - in 10-15 years you will start to see a different England.

A post from a mate on another forum:-

"I was talking to the head coach of the local kids team yesterday. The FA is handing down edicts about the structure of kids football - and at young age groups (up to 11yo I think he said) the FA want kids to play small sided games - 5v5, then 7v7, then 9v9 through the age groups - all with the intent that players get more ball time and become comfortable passing and controlling the thing. The parents hate it because they don't understand it, they just want to see 22 7 year olds on a full sized pitch chasing the same ball around. It's not the fault of the 14 that represented England tonight, or the current management structure, this goes back 20-odd years, and will take another 3 or 4 world cup cycles to work through."

[Scoobos]

Once again we squander our already slim chances by insisting on playing a "hero" that if anything, has only proved that hes a club player only.

Rooney == John Barnes on the international stage ; we are a better team without him.

[Bunk]

England played a very innovative football last night in the second part of the game. I'd use a new word for that, "catenaccio". Oh wait...

Except that wasn't catenaccio. Nothing like it.

[SimonMac]

Where is the guy from the Mars advert when England need him!

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

The problem with England is not the system, it's the quality and mindset of the players. The insistance that it has to be played quick and relying on the long ball. How many passes do we string together before somebody punts it down the pitch. You don't see Spain or the Germans punting hopeful balls out towards their forwards. These players play often in the champoins league and know that this particular style simply doesn't work.

The thing is really sad is this happens with the poorer teams as well as Italy, Spain etc....

I just don't get why they don't stop for a bit and try passing it? They have to just hoof it up towards Carroll/Welbeck. It's a complete and utter joke. They need to invest in the youth system and bring over some Spanish and Brazilian coaches - in 10-15 years you will start to see a different England.

[BoredBloke]

Well what do you expect from playing this rigid 442 system.

We needed more in midfield to be able to get more of a grip on the game and string some decent sequences of passes together.

That said, Lord knows where we're going to find a player with even a fraction of the quality of Pirlo among the emerging group of players. Jack Wilshere and Tom Cleverly perhaps?

The problem with England is not the system, it's the quality and mindset of the players. The insistance that it has to be played quick and relying on the long ball. How many passes do we string together before somebody punts it down the pitch. You don't see Spain or the Germans punting hopeful balls out towards their forwards. These players play often in the champoins league and know that this particular style simply doesn't work.

[pacharan]

Well what do you expect from playing this rigid 442 system.

We needed more in midfield to be able to get more of a grip on the game and string some decent sequences of passes together.

That said, Lord knows where we're going to find a player with even a fraction of the quality of Pirlo among the emerging group of players. Jack Wilshere and Tom Cleverly perhaps?