Reply to: Electricity Bills Set To Rise To Pay For Wind Farm Subsidies

[SupremeSpod]

http://www.virgin.com/company/virgin-green-fund

[Old Hack]

I think there's two schools here, over consumption, and over reliance. I don't understand people being negative about renewables. I read a book about renewables: Sutainable Energy without the hot air. Referenced beavily by academic and industry figures, and it doesn't look great, as it stands.

In our household, we've embraced sustainable energy, from a few angles. I guess it's easier living where we do, and with a green council and more land available with house purchases. But it worries me that in th epast 2 years, Russia has threatened European gas supplies, the costs has gone up massively and we're basically, as it stands, at the mercy of OPEC, Russia and, to a degree, China.

Standing still doesn't make any sense to me. Nuclear power makes no sense to me either, with an ecological and family hat on.

We have invested quite substantially in Wind, Sun and Geothermal and we're looking at others, including growing willow for a burner.

I think it simply doesn't make sense to do otherwise. Looking at 2 years money from the gov, including for my hardware, I reckon it will pay off in 8-9 years. Then, with an estimated lifespan of 25 years, but an expected lifespan of 35 years (looking after the equipment), I then get free electricity, hot water, and heat. That with a complete cut down on our reliance (and charging mroe stuff on the clients sites) on electrical appliances, I can't see another way that makes sense. Just can't.

[Scoobos]

I do agree that if you're on one hand saying "I'm Rich, and I dont have a social conscience" that on the other you cant seriously expect people to not resent you pushing your own market on a very sensitive subject.

In my view, EO is right , and doesn't go far enough , Fuel Poverty is happening right now, even in the UK and France - and once again hitting the weakest members of society.

That said, everyone has a right to say whatever they want, and you have been open and honest about it at least.

Everything in moderation - why do we have to OPPOSE one and be behind another.

lets utilise every clean and renewable energy form we can - and try and at least be able to power our country when the inevitable conflict over fuel comes ..

Personally, I want to see more hydro , hydrogen and wind - I'm not opposed to fuel burning either, but fossil fuels and nuclear should come second to people having reasonable expectations on fuel consumption.

Our consumption levels are unnecessarily rising, 4 TV's in 1 house, 3 computers etc etc. We're spoilt, but then want to complain that a scare resource that we are demanding more of, is going up in price.

[Diver]

I have said it three times, so here again for the fourth time.

people are and will die due to fuel poverty. whatever the rights and wrongs of that are

anyone who has a financial interest would be wise to sit out the debate.


EO

We all have a financial interest, or don't you pay for electricity?

Those that debate it need to have some knowledge of the power generation systems surely


As this debate is obviously upsetting you on a personal level EO, This is my last post in this thread so feel free to take a cheap shot if you want the last word. I won't respond.

Best to leave this thread to fade away.............................................. ...............................

[EternalOptimist]

By the way. I'm sorry EO. I was wrong with regard to the withdrawal (although it was delayed a couple of years)

Now will you admit that you are wrong and make up, because I really do like you?

I have said it three times, so here again for the fourth time.

people are and will die due to fuel poverty. whatever the rights and wrongs of that are

anyone who has a financial interest would be wise to sit out the debate.


EO

[Diver]

ha ha

let me quote the booby

'With your wealth of ignorance you should fkin despair'
you have a financial interest Diver, back off and leave it to others. thats my advice
dont be a bigger booby than you have to be

Oh dear!

Still

Reviewing the previous posts, you aren't coming across very well here EO

I forgive you though and hope nobody thinks the worse of you for it

[EternalOptimist]

ha ha

let me quote the booby

'A well armored diversionary force off from the main route could be used to draw enemy combatants and firepower away from the more vulnerable retreating main unit.
Whatever happens, it is not going to be pretty and a lot of our young men are going to die.'


'With your wealth of ignorance you should fkin despair'



you have a financial interest Diver, back off and leave it to others. thats my advice
dont be a bigger booby than you have to be

[Diver]

yawn.

you did not have the good grace to apologise last time. you were 100% wrong
how wrong are you this time ? and will you ever apologise ?

yawn

By the way. I'm sorry EO. I was wrong with regard to the withdrawal (although it was delayed a couple of years)

Now will you admit that you are wrong and make up, because I really do like you?

[Diver]

yawn.

you did not have the good grace to apologise last time. you were 100% wrong


how wrong are you this time ? and will you ever apologise ?

yawn

Good response EO. Can't fault it for validity with regard to the renewable energy debate

[EternalOptimist]

yawn.

you did not have the good grace to apologise last time. you were 100% wrong


how wrong are you this time ? and will you ever apologise ?

yawn

[Diver]

For anyone who is new here, or anyone with a short memory, the reason why I yawn at Diver is that he has a track record.

Now the booby is spouting on about a subject where he has a financial interest. I exercise my right of 'shut the **** up diver'


people are and will die due to fuel poverty, I dont want to hear from a self centred, greedy twat

Oh come on EO, resorting to personal attacks because you are too pathetic to maintain a valid argument

I thought you were a little more mature than to act like a 12 year old girl that can't get her own way

Telling me to shut the **** up, and that I'm a tw@t

Grow a pair EO and man up

[EternalOptimist]

For anyone who is new here, or anyone with a short memory, the reason why I yawn at Diver is that he has a track record.

This is the booby who was spouting off about the Britsh withdrawal from IRAQ and the heavy casualties that would be involved. We would have to have an armoured diversion. massive air cover and we would be 'enfiladed' and suffer not a few casualties. (we suffered 0 in that withdrawal)

no matter how we did it, we would suffer heavy losses.

Of course the people with experience told him he was talking rubbish, but he ploughed on.

Now the booby is spouting on about a subject where he has a financial interest. I exercise my right of 'shut the **** up diver'

people are and will die due to fuel poverty, I dont want to hear from a self centred, greedy twat

[Diver]

Others who (some of whome) don't know what the **** they are talking about you mean and base their comments and on what they read in the press?

I have spent approx 11,500 hours in this, What is the basis of Your expertise in renewable energy please?

I have posted the true figures as published by DECC. you have posted carp you read in a paper written by an anti renewable energy source.

And for your information, We ALL have a vested interest in this unless you live in the wild cooking your food with twigs over a jerry rigged cooker like a Hobo.

[Diver]

ok. you have an interest in this. jolly well done.

others dont. so thanks for declaring it. now shut the **** up, and leave the debate to others

Others who (some of whome) don't know what the **** they are talking about you mean and base their comments and on what they read in the press?

I have spent approx 11,500 hours in this, What is the basis of Your expertise in renewable energy please?

I have posted the true figures as published by DECC. you have posted carp you read in a paper written by an anti renewable energy source.

And for your information, We ALL have a vested interest in this unless you live in the wild cooking your food with twigs over a jerry rigged cooker like a Hobo.

[pjclarke]

Did you know ...

The 'report' is by the Renewable Energy Forum - a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Renewable Energy Foundation. And that REF was founded by Neol Edmonds?

No deal, thanks Noel.

Maria McCaffery, chief executive of RenewableUK, a trade body which represents more than 600 wind and marine energy firms, says the Renewable Energy Foundation's true purpose is diametrically opposed to the interests of the wind energy industry. "It is an anti-wind lobbying organisation," she told BusinessGreen. "I'd like to know where the renewable energy part of their remit is. They don't foster or promote or develop, they just try to undermine the case for wind energy all the time."

Renewable Energy Foundation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Usual journalistic standards from the Telegraph, there.