Reply to: Affordable Homes

[PRC1964]

Ian Dury:

There are jewels in the crown of England's glory
And every jewel shines a thousand ways

Frankie Howerd, Noel Coward and garden gnomes
Frankie Vaughan, Kenneth Horne, Sherlock Holmes
Monty, Biggles and Old King Cole
In the pink or on the dole
Oliver Twist and Long John Silver
Captain Cook and Nelly Dean
Enid Blyton, Gilbert Harding
Malcolm Sargeant, Graham Greene (Graham Greene)

All the jewels in the crown of England's glory
Too numerous to mention, but a few
And every one could tell a different story
And show old England's glory something new

Nice bit of kipper and Jack the Ripper and Upton Park
Gracie, Cilla, Maxy Miller, Petula Clark
Winkles, Woodbines, Walnut Whips
Vera Lynn and Stafford Cripps
Lady Chatterley, Muffin the Mule
Winston Churchill, Robin Hood
Beatrix Potter, Baden-Powell
Beecham's powders, Yorkshire pud (Yorkshire pud)

With Billy Bunter, Jane Austen
Reg Hampton, George Formby
Billy Fury, Little Titch
Uncle Mac, Mr. Pastry and all
Uncle mac, Mr. Patry and all

allright england?
gowan england
oh england

All the jewels in the crown of England's glory
Too numerous to mention, but a few
And every one could tell a different story
And show old England's glory something new

Somerset Maugham, Top Of The Form with the Boys' Brigade
Mortimer Wheeler, Christine Keeler and the Board of Trade
Henry Cooper, wakey wakey, England's labour
Standard Vanguard, spotted dick, England's workers
England's glory

[Fungus]

A couple of points here - in true CUK tradition, relating to the same thread, yet totally unconnected -

a) Huguenots started arriving in England after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes by Louis XIV in 1685, so this is well over three hundred years ago.

Fair enough. We can't have inaccuracies creeping in to CUK, oh no, otherwise where would we be, but on the slippery slope to eternal damnation. I humbly thank you for ensuring that a small sliver of decent civilised society can struggle on despite the revolting hordes massed outside the gates. Altogether now:


There'll always be an England,
While there's a country lane,
Wherever there's a cottage small
Beside a field of grain.
There'll always be an England,
While there's a busy street,
Wherever there's a turning wheel
A million marching feet.
Red, white and blue,
What does it mean to you?
Surely you're proud
Shout it aloud.
Britons awake!
The Empire too,
We can depend on you,
Freedom remains
These are the chains
Nothing can break.
There'll always be an England,
And England shall be free,
If England means as much to you
As England means to me.
"This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in a silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall,
Or as a moat defensive to a house
Against the envy of less happier lands
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm
This England"


Or maybe no. I hear there is a surfeit of cheap empty houses in Poland.

[John Galt]

Well if that happens you won't have far to look for cleaners, gardeners, builders etc. The new houses will either be full of the feckin eastern europeans or, indeed, illegal immigrants.

Lucky you

That's it cheer me up why don't you

[ratewhore]

Well if that happens you won't have far to look for cleaners, gardeners, builders etc. The new houses will either be full of the feckin eastern europeans or, indeed, illegal immigrants.

Lucky you

[John Galt]

They won't take your land because you'll be paying increased council tax for the pleasure of having a larger than average plot...

Got ya by the danglies either way.

True RH - but if they take my bit and build half a dozen houses on it they've then got 7 lots of council tax rather than one - as you say danglies firmly gripped

[Hart-floot]

Wonder how long it will be before any garden over 30ft will be compulsorily (?) purchased by Bliar and Co. I live in the country and paid a premium for the house because it has a little bit of land - no doubt this will be considered to be wholly unfair. (

Not compulsory purchased just push you up a few council tax bands in the next review

BTW whats happened to the re-valuation in England? Not heard much lately

[ratewhore]

They won't take your land because you'll be paying increased council tax for the pleasure of having a larger than average plot...

Got ya by the danglies either way.

[John Galt]

The demand comes from two sources: an increase in the number of single person households, due for example to people marrying late, and a massive increase in net immigration. According to R4 Britain is currently experiencing the largest ever wave of immigration in its entire history, with almost 300K people from Eastern Europe over the last 2 years. The only comparable event in terms of a proportion of the total occurred when Huguenots left France ~200 years ago. The demand from immigrants is said to be ~50K houses per year.

A significant proportion of new build is on gardens and scrap land sold off to developers, rather than the brown field sites originally envisiged by Two Shags.

Wonder how long it will be before any garden over 30ft will be compulsorily (?) purchased by Bliar and Co. I live in the country and paid a premium for the house because it has a little bit of land - no doubt this will be considered to be wholly unfair. Mind you we have just built a new garden shed so I might get away with housing a couple of immigrants in there

[threaded]

I mean the other way around, where a land owner asks for permission, gets turned down, sells the land, and within the week they're building on it. Seen it happen several times in Doncaster.

[privateeye]

Yes, don't you just love the UK planning system. A sure fire way for the corrupt and scammers to make a few bob at the expense of hard working families.

Most Planning Officers will tell anyone if they asked them that the land is probably worthless or what it may be used for. The planning system works but some peoples brains don't. The planning office has nothing to do with land being split up, thats the job of the land registry. Planning people only get involved when you enquire about building on land.

Sensible builders only buy land on an "option agreement" which means if they receive planning permission within a set period of time they will pay the owner of the land whatever otherwise they don't buy. If the people buying these plots took proper advice they would not lose out.

[milanbenes]

looks like either, folks are going to have to earn more,

or, they're gonna have to get used to renting

Milan.

[threaded]

Yeah - I looked into one of these schemes. 0.1 acre of buckinghamshire greenfield land for about £15K. There were about 12-14 plots available so total value of, say, £210,000. I since found out the seller bought the field from the farmer 4 months earlier for £50,000.

So I guess the moral of the story is; if you want to make the cash, buy the field first, then sell it out in plots. Don't buy the plot, there's a very, very minimal chance of getting even OPP...

Yes, don't you just love the UK planning system. A sure fire way for the corrupt and scammers to make a few bob at the expense of hard working families.

[wendigo100]

Yeah - I looked into one of these schemes. 0.1 acre of buckinghamshire greenfield land for about £15K. There were about 12-14 plots available so total value of, say, £210,000. I since found out the seller bought the field from the farmer 4 months earlier for £50,000.

Was that in Edlesborough? A very similar thing happened here recently. My mate bought a plot because it backed onto his garden.

[Fleetwood]

The only comparable event in terms of a proportion of the total occurred when Huguenots left France ~200 years ago.

A couple of points here - in true CUK tradition, relating to the same thread, yet totally unconnected -

a) Huguenots started arriving in England after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes by Louis XIV in 1685, so this is well over three hundred years ago.

b) Guernsey is an island. The lower-paid workers can't live elsewhere and commute in of a morning, so some housing has to be reserved for them otherwise the island's economy would collapse.
Luxembourg is a small tax-haven with expensive housing like Guernsey, but is land-locked. Those who can't afford Luxembourg prices live in Belgium or France and commute in.

[Fungus]

Same could be said of Buy To Let.

Millions of empty Buy To Lets and millions wanting to own a home but can't as all the low end property has been snapped up by investors?

Ironic isn't it. Mrs T. helped the working classes by selling off council houses, often at bargain prices. Teflon T. stuffs the working classes by creating a housing shortage, elevating prices whereby the working classes are forced to rent from bourgeois land lords.

In Brixham in South Devon where my mother used to live, the locals can't afford houses due to wealthy incomers buying holiday and retirement homes. The place is like a graveyard in the Winter months.