Reply to: Refused treatment

[Not So Wise]

Would you fix someone's computer if they had delivered stuff like that to a female colleague? Even if you were bound by a contract which said you must?

Simple answer, yes unless i had the option to return any funds paid in advance

If Doctors want to pick and choose who to treat and who not to they need to go to private sector where if they refuse to treat someone who has paid for something and do not return the money they get sued (and possible jail for fraud)

If you work the public sector you are meant to be there for every tax payer, equally, otherwise we will end up in situations like police refuseing to investigate rapes because the victim is a prostitute...oh woops nearly there already with them doing the equivilant of your waiting list juggleing example.

[KentPhilip]

Pure rubbish. This guy deliberately targetted that hospital with his offensive material. Not only that, but I heard him last week on the Radio 2 calling anyone who performs an abortion a murderer, and was totally unrepentant of his actions.

Would you fix someone's computer if they had delivered stuff like that to a female colleague? Even if you were bound by a contract which said you must?

Think about it carefully. If for some reason the operation went wrong, that guy would probably sue the hospital for malptractice on the grounds of prejudice against him. He is putting the staff there in an impossible situation.

Me in a surgeon's position? I'd quietly drop him to the bottom of the waiting list every time he came to the top, I simply wouldn't put my career on the line for someone like that.

Unfortunately for the offensive git, by making it public, he could find other hospitals refusing him treatment too

Tough luck. He brought it upon himself.

"Even if you were bound by a contract which said you must?"
Yes, is my reaction. If you work for the NHS it is because you care about providing medical treatment for anyone no matter how bad or good they are. If you want to start getting judgemental about people then go off into the private sector.
If you are an NHS surgeon you should feel confident that you are not going to "botch" the operation and get sued whether the patient is predisposed to litigation or not. If that is a serious worry you lack the professionalism and backbone to do the job, and another career would perhaps be more appropriate for you.
If the operation went wrong due to a situation outside your control then you won't be blamed by the NHS trust because it was not your fault.
If you start manually manipulating people's places on waiting lists you ought to be subject to significant diciplinary action. No I can't spell.

[Sysman]

And to be honest refusing someone treatment because they sent pics of dead fetus to the hospital when such a hospital has probably treated rapists, murders, pedophiles or any other number of types that have caused a lot more harm and distress to others is a bit two faced and huge overreaction imo.

Pure rubbish. This guy deliberately targetted that hospital with his offensive material. Not only that, but I heard him last week on the Radio 2 calling anyone who performs an abortion a murderer, and was totally unrepentant of his actions.

Would you fix someone's computer if they had delivered stuff like that to a female colleague? Even if you were bound by a contract which said you must?

Think about it carefully. If for some reason the operation went wrong, that guy would probably sue the hospital for malptractice on the grounds of prejudice against him. He is putting the staff there in an impossible situation.

Me in a surgeon's position? I'd quietly drop him to the bottom of the waiting list every time he came to the top, I simply wouldn't put my career on the line for someone like that.

Unfortunately for the offensive git, by making it public, he could find other hospitals refusing him treatment too

Tough luck. He brought it upon himself.

[Not So Wise]

Would have no problem with them refuseing to treat someone if for every person they turned down they lost some government funding

You should not be able to take the money up front (Gov funding from NI/Tax) and then refuse service without some penalty otherwise before you know it it will be abused to hell and back.

And to be honest refusing someone treatment because they sent pics of dead fetus to the hospital when such a hospital has probably treated rapists, murders, pedophiles or any other number of types that have caused a lot more harm and distress to others is a bit two faced and huge overreaction imo.

[Spartacus]

Doh!

[The Lone Gunman]

hippocratic

Doh!

[Spartacus]

You could try my use of hypocritical instead of hypocratic!

hippocratic

[The Lone Gunman]

Is there anything in particular you would like us to deliberate?

You could try my use of hypocritical instead of hypocratic!

[Spartacus]

Deliberate.

Is there anything in particular you would like us to deliberate?

[The Lone Gunman]

hypocratical

Deliberate.

[sparklelard]

I think yes the guy should receive treatment for his hip even though it is non emergency. The reason is that the NHS was set up to give free treatment to all UK citizens whether it is emergency or not. And the fact that they have a criminal record does not stop this.

So following on from this the fact that they have a criminal record from an attack on the hospital who would be treating him is no exception.
Yes the staff expect to have a no abuse policy. But this only applies to abuse that occurs while the patient is being treated, not beforehand.
So yes if he produces bad photos of dead babies he should be thrown out of the hospital, but readmitted a few days later.

We as a society have to follow the rule of law, not the law of jungle vengence.

You don't have to be a patient having treatment to abuse staff.

[Sysman]

You might at least get the correction right.

Hippocratic Oath.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_modern.html

[KentPhilip]

I think yes the guy should receive treatment for his hip even though it is non emergency. The reason is that the NHS was set up to give free treatment to all UK citizens whether it is emergency or not. And the fact that they have a criminal record does not stop this.

So following on from this the fact that they have a criminal record from an attack on the hospital who would be treating him is no exception.
Yes the staff expect to have a no abuse policy. But this only applies to abuse that occurs while the patient is being treated, not beforehand.
So yes if he produces bad photos of dead babies he should be thrown out of the hospital, but readmitted a few days later.

We as a society have to follow the rule of law, not the law of jungle vengence.

[ASB]

hypocratical

You might at least get the correction right.

[Churchill]

He wants to try demanding the right to die then they will fall over themselves forcing treatment on him insisting that the hypocritical oath says they must do no harm.

hypocratical