Reply to: City 'should apologise to slaves' bollox

[sasguru]

NL are a fascist party pure and simple, whose main issue is remaining in power. They are well aware of the need for marketing gloss (often called spin), hence the reasonable sounding marketing and communications, which seems to have fooled the more gullible.
Once they got a whiff of real power the manifesto was torn up for their real agenda. Voting for nl is basically a vote for a bunch of control-freaky socialist vermin, who seem to be very happy to give the violent chavs what they think they want.

Exactly right, I agree. So it's time for the natural party of power, the Tories.

[Dundeegeorge]

Indeed

The BNP is a fascist party, pure and simple, whose main issue is race. They are well aware of the need for marketing gloss, hence the reasonable sounding marketing and communications, which seems to have fooled the more gullible.
Were they to get a sniff of real power, the manifesto would be torn up for their real agenda. Voting for the BNP is basically a vote for a bunch of violent chavs.

NL are a fascist party pure and simple, whose main issue is remaining in power. They are well aware of the need for marketing gloss (often called spin), hence the reasonable sounding marketing and communications, which seems to have fooled the more gullible.
Once they got a whiff of real power the manifesto was torn up for their real agenda. Voting for nl is basically a vote for a bunch of control-freaky socialist vermin, who seem to be very happy to give the violent chavs what they think they want.

[Fleetwood]

The Norman system of land ownership was imposed on Ireland by England

"The Norman system of land ownership was imposed on Ireland by Normans who were in England" would be a lot closer to the truth. It's like all this "800 years" bollocks they all go on about. They can't get it into their heads that they were ruled by the French.... same as the English were.

[Cyber Controller]

I invite anyone who wants an apology for anything to come round tonight to the Telos Arms. Me and my Cyber Buddies will be more than pleased to give you an apology with a pool cue anytime.

[privateeye]

As to the confiscation of land, I thought the Irish nobility owned it all anyway (a legacy of the Norman system of land ownership).

The Norman system of land ownership was imposed on Ireland by England - and in favour of the English and the reason Ireland really suffered in the Potato famine was that so much land had been confiscated or the rents put so high by England that many fields had nothing growing in them anyway because no-one could afford to.

When I was at school learning history (1970ish) I got access to history books written by Irish Authors that up until 1986 were banned in the UK so I have drawn up my own conclusion from both sides of the story. Bet you didn't know that - any history book written by any Irish Author was banned in the UK up until 1986 - what was being hidden? There were laws all those years later in England stating an Irishman was not allowed to write history - I want another apology

[sasguru]

The BNP is a fascist party, pure and simple, whose main issue is race. They are well aware of the need for marketing gloss, hence the reasonable sounding marketing and communications, which seems to have fooled the more gullible.
Were they to get a sniff of real power, the manifesto would be torn up for their real agenda. Voting for the BNP is basically a vote for a bunch of violent chavs.

[Dundeegeorge]

D'you know

What is realy annoying about the BNP is their overt racism. Without it they say an awful lot of stuff that I, and a number of others here have espoused.

Whilst they have such a racist core they are unelectable (I hope).

Try reading their manifesto.

In the above sentence, replace bnp with commission for racial equality and I agree 100% - spooky.

[The Lone Gunman]

What is realy annoying about the BNP is their overt racism. Without it they say an awful lot of stuff that I, and a number of others here have espoused.

Whilst they have such a racist core they are unelectable (I hope).

Try reading their manifesto.

[Dundeegeorge]

Can't handle the truth, right

You just can't handle the truth!

I have no allegencies to the labour party, but I'm pretty sick of this BNP makeover/cyber activism that they are encouraging.

To all you BNP cyber activists out there, would anyone like to dispute

a/ Combat 18 have connects to the BNP and are a terrorist organisation
b/ The members of the BNP are obssessed with race.
c/ The correlation between being a BNP member and having a criminal record for asault.

Or maybe it's not 'fair' to raise these questions.

a - no dispute
b - don't know any (that I know of)
c - is in your mind only. I suspect that there are a lot more bnp members who have no convictions than those who have convictions for criminal activity, but I couldn't prove it (which does not mean it's not true)

And what's your point anyway, you don't like the bnp so they should be vilified and dismissed as just a waste of energy - hmmn, yeah let's see what margaret hodge thinks about that one shall we.
I still trust the bnp more than I trust nl (admittedly only because the bnp are unlikely to get a sniff of real power, but nl seem to be a pretty good recruiting seargent for them anyway) and I don't trust the bnp.

[hattra]

At the same time as the potato famine British ships stopped off in Ireland and took what food was remaining is probably one reason why Britain was blamed for a lot of the starvation - and then confiscated land but that's all history and obselete. Don't understand why todays generation is to blame for any past generation whatever nationality, creed, religion - it just doesn't mean anything.

Though the British Gov't. was slow to respond, Britain actually sent large quantities of grain to Ireland during the famine - unfortunately there were only two flour mills in the whole of Ireland at the time, and very little tradition of cooking with flour, so the majority of it just rotted. (A similar situation occured in Somalia or Ethiopia during a recent famine - the UN provided rice to a population that had millet as its staple grain. You boil millet for about an hour and a half to make it edible - try doing that to rice).

The potato famine extended right across Europe, with the West Country in England suffering badly as well - the difference was that farming was still relatively mixed in most other areas, whereas Ireland was almost a monoculture (potatos brought a good price - they were a valuable cash crop & Ireland produced some of the best quality).

As to the confiscation of land, I thought the Irish nobility owned it all anyway (a legacy of the Norman system of land ownership).

[Bagpuss]

I'm always sceptical when people have to emphasise their sentences with FACT!

BNP are loverly fluffy people who spend their time cuddling kittens and helping old people FACT!

You just can't handle the truth!

I have no allegencies to the labour party, but I'm pretty sick of this BNP makeover/cyber activism that they are encouraging.

To all you BNP cyber activists out there, would anyone like to dispute

a/ Combat 18 have connects to the BNP and are a terrorist organisation
b/ The members of the BNP are obssessed with race.
c/ The correlation between being a BNP member and having a criminal record for asault.

Or maybe it's not 'fair' to raise these questions.

[Dundeegeorge]

bnp have not

I'm always sceptical when people have to emphasise their sentences with FACT!

BNP are loverly fluffy people who spend their time cuddling kittens and helping old people FACT!

engaged britain in a costly and bloody war in the middle east - FACT
bnp have not ejected people from their meetings using anti-terrorist legislation - FACT (OK they have ejected people using boots and chains, probably)
bnp have not attempted to enact a law which allows them to create any new laws they like without reference to the people - FACT

I repeat, I believe that the bnp are more trustworthy than nl.

[DimPrawn]

I'm always sceptical when people have to emphasise their sentences with FACT!

BNP are loverly fluffy people who spend their time cuddling kittens and helping old people FACT!

[Dundeegeorge]

My my, were you frightened by a racist as a kid?

It's well documented combat 18 are connected to the BNP. Your argument is a bit like saying where is your proof Sinn Fein are connected to the IRA!
Would you dispute that too?
It's also not propoganda that most high-up members of the BNP have criminal records. It's fact

FACT the BNP are connected to combat 18. FACT combat 18 have engaged in terrorism.
FACT that the BNP officers have criminal records.



Of course as the BNP rebrands it's racism it's unfair to bring up the past!
Oh didums!

Or more likely frightened by the bbc as an adult (you are an adult, aren't you?).
It's well documented that the deputy prime minister should have been charged with assault, tony blair may yet be prosecuted for selling peerages, jowell, blunkett, mandelson, just because they haven't been charged doesn't mean they are innocent of any crime.
Sinn fein and the ira, well oddly enough sinn fein have some parliamentary presence do they not, so it seems that connections to criminal organisations is no bar to election.
Obviously the bnp are a racist organisation, that's not really disputed. Where we seem to differ is that I believe that racists should be represented to the extent that they make up a proportion of the population.
Of course being an apologist for nl you presumably see democracy as the right to have all opinions heard, which coincide with your opinion!!!!!!
Sorry but democracy means that even the more obvious loonies (socialists are loonies but perhaps not so obviously) are entitled to their opinions, or even worse for you, are entitled to state their opinions.

[Bagpuss]

Do you have proof of all that baggy? I think if it were true then the BNP would be outside the law and would therefore not exist.
Are you sure it is not you who has been influenced by the anti BNP propoganda that is prevelant?

It's well documented combat 18 are connected to the BNP. Your argument is a bit like saying where is your proof Sinn Fein are connected to the IRA!
Would you dispute that too?
It's also not propoganda that most high-up members of the BNP have criminal records. It's fact

FACT the BNP are connected to combat 18. FACT combat 18 have engaged in terrorism.
FACT that the BNP officers have criminal records.



Of course as the BNP rebrands it's racism it's unfair to bring up the past!
Oh didums!