Reply to: Whose going to vote Labour today?

[Fungus]

Lets have lots more taxes.

1. the smallest car available = cost + £30K tax, sort out congestion, get the smeg off the roads and out of my way (then we can have many more nurses)

2. £50K minimum tax payable to vote, put the thickies back in their box where they belong, it'd be a kindness they only hurt themselves and everyone else.

3. Internet Access £25K a year, keep those that are hard of understanding out of the way and stop them wasting everybody elses time.

4. Tax NHS users so those that aren't smart enough to make enough money to pay the charges are removed from the gene pool, hard but fair.

Strangely appealing ...

[vista]

I like tax

Lets have lots more taxes.

1. the smallest car available = cost + £30K tax, sort out congestion, get the smeg off the roads and out of my way (then we can have many more nurses)

2. £50K minimum tax payable to vote, put the thickies back in their box where they belong, it'd be a kindness they only hurt themselves and everyone else.

3. Internet Access £25K a year, keep those that are hard of understanding out of the way and stop them wasting everybody elses time.

4. Tax NHS users so those that aren't smart enough to make enough money to pay the charges are removed from the gene pool, hard but fair.

[Fungus]

Hello benno

Did you know that this government are pushing foreign companies to invest in this country? A worthy aim. And did you know that the key asset of this country - according to New Liar - is that we have a de-regulated economy that makes us more competitive than the more sclerotic European economies. And we know why that is. Margaret Thatcher, Keith Joseph, Mr Norman On-Yer-Bike Tebbit, and the rest.

[DodgyAgent]

I find it incredibly amusing that you lot claim I'm looking for the moral high ground to sooth my consciance, I'm the one who's supposed to have some sort of selfish guilt. Yet who's being judged and who's doing the judging?

all I've stated is despite its faults, this country today now provides opportunities for those who want them, something that wasn't that case for a long long time during the period when tory rules decimated any sense of community.

I don't even class myself as a socialist, so how the chanpagne socialist tag can stick is beyond me.

Blinkered by your idealistic political views you really can't see how lucky you lot currently are. I find that sad.

Quite apart from the fact that Tory/Thatcher policies create wealth and those associated with socialism do the reverse, the economy was doing better than it ever had been doing when the Tories were kicked out in 1997. So if you are basing your vote on the "never had it so good" rule then why did you vote labour?

And if New Labour is promoting "sense of community" about which you pretend to care (which you patently do not), then why are working Britis class communities (white and Black) voting for BNP?

And if the country is providing opportunities for everyone why is it that there are over 3 million unemployed?

There were a lot of people like you around in the 60s and 70s indulging in the destruction of capitalist values, what happened? maggie

[benn0]

I find it incredibly amusing that you lot claim I'm looking for the moral high ground to sooth my consciance, I'm the one who's supposed to have some sort of selfish guilt. Yet who's being judged and who's doing the judging?

all I've stated is despite its faults, this country today now provides opportunities for those who want them, something that wasn't that case for a long long time during the period when tory rules decimated any sense of community.

I don't even class myself as a socialist, so how the chanpagne socialist tag can stick is beyond me.

Blinkered by your idealistic political views you really can't see how lucky you lot currently are. I find that sad.

[DodgyAgent]

I don't have an 'I'm alright jack' mentality at all

I'm simply pointing out that the economic outloook isn't half as gloomy as you lot would have it.

You've been forecasting a crash on these boards for the last six years and it still hasn't happened.

House prices continue to rise. The IT market is on its way back after the recession post Y2K. Nothing the tories could have done would have averted that because most companies blew years of IT budget on the issue. The building trade is buoyant. Inflation under control. If you want to work you can.

Booh f@cking hoo you pay tax. That's life I'm afraid.

The main problem I have in this country at the moment is the chav underclass cultured by years of tory mismanagement.

closely followed by the wannabe middle classes who are never satisfied.

What else is it that we pay for that we dont ever question where it goes other than tax? the answer is nothing. Why is it? the answer is because paying tax eases people's consciences. If people actually cared about the poor then they would demand that those taxes would be properly spent. If tax was spent wisely then the chav underclass would cease to exist, reducing crime and unemployment and thus creating a better society.

It is selfish "I am alright Jack" spivs like Benn0 who actually dont give a fig. He and his ilk see tax as a means of giving themselves some moral integrity whilst sending their own kids to private school and ignoring the poor, disabled and less fortunate. In other words the payment of tax is nothing but a shallow pandering to their selfish guilt. There is a simple answer to the chav problem and that is to give them a decent education and take welfare away from them. If people like Benn0 were to ever to care then they would not only demand better use of taxpayers money but also bother to debate whether public services should be funded through taxation at all.

[DimPrawn]

Another Champagne Socialist amongst us.

[Lucifer Box]

I don't have an 'I'm alright jack' mentality at all

Benn0: I could leave my current job today, confident that I would be able to find another before this time next week.

Translation: I'm alright, Jack

[AtW]

I'm simply pointing out that the economic outloook isn't half as gloomy as you lot would have it.

That's because economy is steaming ahead on building more and more debt: one day it will have to be paid for and thats going to be very very painful - legacy of Brown will certainly be remembered in books on macroeconomics, probably not the way he would like it to be remembered.

[DimPrawn]

Oh well, no point arguing over what might be if the Tories were in.

We have our Tone and soon Gordon, so let's not get het up over it.

What's a bit of extra tax anyway, a few pence here and there, compared with the social and economic miracle?

[benn0]

I don't have an 'I'm alright jack' mentality at all

I'm simply pointing out that the economic outloook isn't half as gloomy as you lot would have it.

You've been forecasting a crash on these boards for the last six years and it still hasn't happened.

House prices continue to rise. The IT market is on its way back after the recession post Y2K. Nothing the tories could have done would have averted that because most companies blew years of IT budget on the issue. The building trade is buoyant. Inflation under control. If you want to work you can.

Booh f@cking hoo you pay tax. That's life I'm afraid.

The main problem I have in this country at the moment is the chav underclass cultured by years of tory mismanagement.

closely followed by the wannabe middle classes who are never satisfied.

[DodgyAgent]

I could leave my current job today, confident that I would be able to find another before this time next week. (How many people could say that in the eighties). On that basis the economy is sound. 23,000 muppets who aren't able to budget properly out of a 60million plus population is a drop in the ocean. Those idiots would be equally unable to budget properly under a tory government.

As long as you are alright Jack. I am surprised you bothered to vote. At least by voting labour you you are clearly out to look after number1

[Lucifer Box]

I could leave my current job today, confident that I would be able to find another before this time next week.

Ah, the socialism of "I'm alright, Jack". On the other hand, how many other people only have a future of benefit dependency, McJobs or Tesco shelf stacking to look forward to, the real economic miracle of those 1,000,000 new jobs created?

[benn0]

The economy is sound.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4976180.stm

More than 23,000 people became insolvent in England and Wales during the first three months of 2006 - 73% more than in the same period last year.
The figures from the government's Insolvency Service will add weight to the view that 2006 could see record levels of personal insolvency.

Experts have blamed the rise in insolvencies on greater personal debt and higher unemployment.

I could leave my current job today, confident that I would be able to find another before this time next week. (How many people could say that in the eighties). On that basis the economy is sound. 23,000 muppets who aren't able to budget properly out of a 60million plus population is a drop in the ocean. Those idiots would be equally unable to budget properly under a tory government.

[TheMonkey]

Experts have blamed the rise in insolvencies on greater personal debt and higher unemployment.

Blame it on muppets - I know loads who are just too ******* lazy to get themselves out of the tulip they got themselves into.