Reply to: New Labour New Crises

[Sergeant Apone]

If only we had ID cards, none of this would have happened.

(Just you wait, I'm surprised that tack hasn't occurred to Clarke already)

[mcquiggd]

[OwlHoot]

What i find amusing about this scandal is the fact that the Prison Service cannot identify the nationality of at least 1000+ foreign prisoners! So cannot immediatley deport them on release! Do they not check their mail, phone calls, food parcels etc etc from Colombia/Nigeria !!

Also, according to Radio 4 this morning, many inmates are claiming to be British when in fact they are not. How can they go through the judicial system without the authorities not correctly establishing their nationality.
Instead of foreigners making up 1 in 8 off all inmates the true figure might be nearer 1 in 6!

The incompetance is staggering ! Did EDS or Accenture design the system?
!

If you recall, the other week some Labour minister suggested that prisoners should be entitled to vote.

Now let's be sensible - How could they justify including illegal immigrants and foreigners amongst those prisoners eligible to vote if they knew what those prisoners were?

(I'm surprised no journalist has looked into this angle - yet another example of jerrymandering and corrupt voting practices on the part of Labour.)

[AlfredJPruffock]

Thatcher was in the crap until the Argies conveniently invaded the Falklands.

F in "I remember it well" mode

What about getting Iraq to invade Iran ...darn weve done that one before though ...

[Fleetwood]

Thatcher was in the crap until the Argies conveniently invaded the Falklands.

F in "I remember it well" mode

[sunnysan]

Hmmm

What NL now needs is a major distraction eg Iran War or Terror Attack to gain support... wait and see.

Possibly but after Iraq, I think Tony would be too popular if he had to commit more UK soldiers to the middle east to go fight the Iranians. I think the casualties would be a lot higher so not good for the ratings.

I cannot really see how a terror attack would galvanise support for the government and after the initial diversion of media focus, it would return to NL and more questions about the efficiency of the home office, justice system etc. Oh and the possibility of another "incident". I think Uncle Tone is now painfully aware that shooting an innocent man in the head in a tube is not a vote winner.

I am not sure about this one but I dont think that a terror attack would galvanise support for a war in Iran either. I personally think it would have the oppisite effect and cause more govt critisism as to WTF we got involved in the first place. IMHO anyway

[wendigo100]

Personally I'd rather be reading in the papers how good a job they've done.

Joe, we've had to put up with that for the past eight or nine years.

[DimPrawn]

Yes expect some nasty home grown terrorist attack any day now to deflect the news.

[AlfredJPruffock]

And very entertaining to watch politicians squirm. Especially this self righteous bunch of tw@ts .

Dont you think its a bit of a coincidence that labour are basically getting f3cked up by scandal after scandal. Why has the media suddenly turned on NL? The incompetance is not new but the exposure of it is.

Now somebody needs to open the David Kelly enquiry again, with a bit of a "foul play" slant, dig into Cheries property dealing again in Bristol and implicate Tone, uncover "new" evidence of NL bullsh1tting the public over Iraq and I dont think they will survive

What NL now needs is a major distraction eg Iran War or Terror Attack to gain support... wait and see.

[Hart-floot]

It's not all bad you know. From the Beeb:

Home Secretary Charles Clarke is resisting calls to resign over the release of 1,023 foreign prisoners who were meant to be considered for deportation.

It has now emerged there could be 1,500 more foreigners in UK jails than previously thought.

There is always the possibility that the 1500 unknown foreigners in jail include the 1023 that didn't get deported as NL don't know where most of them are. Therefore, NL are just under 500 foreigners up...

I'm surprised they haven't spun that yet!!

What i find amusing about this scandal is the fact that the Prison Service cannot identify the nationality of at least 1000+ foreign prisoners! So cannot immediatley deport them on release! Do they not check their mail, phone calls, food parcels etc etc from Colombia/Nigeria !!

Also, according to Radio 4 this morning, many inmates are claiming to be British when in fact they are not. How can they go through the judicial system without the authorities not correctly establishing their nationality.
Instead of foreigners making up 1 in 8 off all inmates the true figure might be nearer 1 in 6!

The incompetance is staggering ! Did EDS or Accenture design the system?
!

[ratewhore]

It's not all bad you know. From the Beeb:

Home Secretary Charles Clarke is resisting calls to resign over the release of 1,023 foreign prisoners who were meant to be considered for deportation.

It has now emerged there could be 1,500 more foreigners in UK jails than previously thought.

There is always the possibility that the 1500 unknown foreigners in jail include the 1023 that didn't get deported as NL don't know where most of them are. Therefore, NL are just under 500 foreigners up...

I'm surprised they haven't spun that yet!!

[Joe Black]

Personally I'd rather be reading in the papers how good a job they've done.

Still they've had more than the chance to improve things in the UK and have done nothing but **** things up so they deserve everything they get.

Agree with the self righteous comment. Gordos habit of smirking at times as he announces some new scheme, or when telling an interviewer how much better off xyz is, certainly annoys me.

[Ivor1]

What made me really sick about new labour is the fact that they changed the law regarding compensation to people who have been hurt in a terrorist incident but would not back date it to cover people hurt in July 7th bombings. However they always find a way to back date taxes.

Labour are scum, all they have proved is that they are good at wasting money, who screw honest people but help the scummers.

[sunnysan]

Its great....

And very entertaining to watch politicians squirm. Especially this self righteous bunch of tw@ts .

Dont you think its a bit of a coincidence that labour are basically getting f3cked up by scandal after scandal. Why has the media suddenly turned on NL? The incompetance is not new but the exposure of it is.

Now somebody needs to open the David Kelly enquiry again, with a bit of a "foul play" slant, dig into Cheries property dealing again in Bristol and implicate Tone, uncover "new" evidence of NL bullsh1tting the public over Iraq and I dont think they will survive

[Joe Black]

Aye JB

BTW Hows it going with your dispute, the whole affair is absurd, you have my total support with this issue, please PM myself if you need any help whatsoever.

Good Luck and dont give up

Saw the solicitor first thing this morning. His view is that the deportation order is simply illegal in the circumstances, specially given they've just been slapped down by the EU courts for doing this sort of thing.

Kafkaesque is the only word to describe yesterday.

Don't know which is worse, what NL is up to in the UK or Belgiums Joseph Heller/Catch-22 style bureaucracy where you can be considered to be living here, but living not here, working but not working...