Reply to: Government need "to get a grip of illegal immigration and border security fast".

[Paddy]

I would recon that the Olympics is going to be open season for the illegals to get in.

[minestrone]

Cameron is not in the same league as labour on "ask them what they want, tell them what they want, give them what they want" politics.

I am not saying the tories are perfect but I don't think they consistantly shift position on doorstep opinion.

Libs on the other hand are a retired teachers' feedback loop.

[OwlHoot]

I detest that 'focus group' politics mode that Labour are in. We have to 'speak to the people' 'reengage with the electorate' crap. I would rather have 'look here is what I stand for and if you don't like it don't vote for me' rather than Milliband battering on about 'the people on the doorsteps have been telling us what they want and we have listened to them'

WHS. But they all do it - The Tories are just as bad.

[oscarose]

Nothing wrong with that. I support Scottish independence and I'm English.

+1

The sooner the better.

[Doggy Styles]

I note in passing that the SNP, a party whose whole existence is based on the difference between England and Scotland, has 6 MSPs who were born in England and call themselves English. If it doesn't matter to them, what are you all fussed about?

Nothing wrong with that. I support Scottish independence and I'm English.

[Ignis Fatuus]

ISTM that you don't vet an MP in advance, you vote for them on the basis of their campaign and their party's platform. If they don't stick to that, or they do but you don't like the result, then you don't vote for them next time.

Democracy is a process, not a requirements check-list.

Or you can't be arsed to make such a complicated decision, so you vote for them based on some criterion which you hope is a shorthand for being OK in your eyes, such as being born in the country. But that's your choice for your vote, not for mine.


I note in passing that the SNP, a party whose whole existence is based on the difference between England and Scotland, has 6 MSPs who were born in England and call themselves English. If it doesn't matter to them, what are you all fussed about?

[Ignis Fatuus]

Indeed. Stopping people born outside the UK would exclude a lot of people with plenty to offer, but perhaps more pernicious; it would further restrict the choices of the electorate. Why restrict people's right to vote for the person they feel best represents them?

You beat me to that one. Only I was going to say "Who the hell do you think you are, to stop the electorate, the source of all just power, from voting for whom they want?"

[Scoobos]

I detest that 'focus group' politics mode that Labour are in. We have to 'speak to the people' 'reengage with the electorate' crap. I would rather have 'look here is what I stand for and if you don't like it don't vote for me' rather than Milliband battering on about 'the people on the doorsteps have been telling us what they want and we have listened to them'

I must spread some rep around before repping minestrone again

WHS + 1 zillion to the power of 10

[Doggy Styles]

Speak of the devil...

BBC News - Miliband shifts immigration policy, saying Labour 'got it wrong'

This looks to be a concerted strategy.

As I have already said.

[Mich the Tester]

I detest that 'focus group' politics mode that all political parties are in. We have to 'speak to the people' 'reengage with the electorate' crap. I would rather have 'look here is what I stand for and if you don't like it don't vote for me' rather than Millitwat, Call-me-Dave or Cleggy battering on about 'the people on the doorsteps have been telling us what they want and we have listened to them'

Having done a minor ftfy, whs ++

[minestrone]

Speak of the devil...

BBC News - Miliband shifts immigration policy, saying Labour 'got it wrong'

This looks to be a concerted strategy.

[minestrone]

I detest that 'focus group' politics mode that Labour are in. We have to 'speak to the people' 'reengage with the electorate' crap. I would rather have 'look here is what I stand for and if you don't like it don't vote for me' rather than Milliband battering on about 'the people on the doorsteps have been telling us what they want and we have listened to them'

[lilelvis2000]

He later clarified what he meant by that, he said he meant no more TORY boom and bust.

Anybody but me think the UK is taking the wrong tack on taxes and incentives?

[lilelvis2000]

Yeah as if the Tories can do much else. ha ha ha
They've made secret deals with India and the whole minimum salary levels with more exceptions that a poorly written application.
All the Tories are doing is taking it out on the darkies.

[Doggy Styles]

I now await Labour admitting they wrecked the economy. The end of boom and bust eh Gordon....

He later clarified what he meant by that, he said he meant no more TORY boom and bust.