Reply to: Bye Bye George Papandreou

[EternalOptimist]

. It is painful but is far better that to be in the grips of a self serving socialist machine which is essentially what the EU is under control for eternity by people who are not interested in your future (the Germans)

It's not often that I disagree with you Dodgy, but you are forgetting who started the 'Occupy' movement
The Germans were there first, occupying Poland,Denmark,France , Norway, Yugoslavia and Greece.

they were obviously concerned with their future. haw haw

[DodgyAgent]

Dear Stavros, would you prefer:

a) ten or more years of public sector austerity in return for some loans from the EU
b) no pay, no pension, social disintegration, the army on the streets but you'll get to tell your grandchildren you stood up to those nasty Germans

You might like to take a look at Argentina who defaulted on their loans and the economy grew again healthily. The thing about recessions and defaults is that they clear out the inefficiencies in the markets - in particular waste in the public sector and free up economies to grow again. It is painful but is far better that to be in the grips of a self serving socialist machine which is essentially what the EU is under control for eternity by people who are not interested in your future (the Germans)

[scooterscot]

Yet he remains.

What of all those expert armchair opinions that he'll be gone by the end of the week?

And why does Mr Camaroon keep fobbing off Britain's problems as Europe's problems? Is he really that weak? To quote him:

Growing doubts about the euro are dragging Britain towards recession, David Cameron said yesterday as the G20 summit failed to answer key questions about the debt crisis.

Yet the comment below sums up the truth for me just nicely. One day he's going to get found out and the markets are going to have a field day burning the city when they release you cannot inflate a dead duck.

Europe isn't dragging the UK into recession. Sir Fred, Andy Hornby, Adam Applegarth, Margaret Thatcher, Gordon Brown, Blair, RBS, Lloyds TSB, the Unions, BMC, British Steel, The Railways, the Shipbuilders, Barclaycard, British Home Stores, Santa Claus, Arthur Scargill, me and you - Uncle Tom Cobley and all - have dragged Britain into recession. Stop blaming Europe. You and I and that shadowy institiution known only as 'the government' have dun it. Face up to it. We pretended we had more money than we had. Everyone of us. Now we have to pay it back. It's not Greece's fault or Spain's or Ireland's.It's mine and your's. Dave's trying to pick up the pieces by blaming everyone else. It was YOU, thinking your house was worth a million pounds wot dun it. And ME thinking I could buy that bloody Rolex. That's wot's dun it.

[DimPrawn]

Not necessarily - it means more plate factories and plate making and plate sweeping employment.

The Broken Window Fallacy

[Paddy]

I remember in the 60s when Greece had a military government.

[Doggy Styles]

Not necessarily - it means more plate factories and plate making and plate sweeping employment.

Paid for by the Germans.

[OwlHoot]

I reckon it's all those plates they smash. It's bound to bring the economy down over time.

Not necessarily - it means more plate factories and plate making and plate sweeping employment.

[Mich the Tester]

Dear Stavros, would you prefer:

a) ten or more years of public sector austerity in return for some loans from the EU
b) no pay, no pension, social disintegration, the army on the streets but you'll get to tell your grandchildren you stood up to those nasty Germans

C) Exit the Euro and become debt free and also be in control of your currency and not have to take orders from Merkel et al.

If they cant pay their debts they may as well get rid of all of it rather than 50% and have to tow the line for years to come.

How can they even consider holding a referendum without an Andyw option? We need answers!

[suityou01]

Careful.

You could get banged up for 4 years for saying things like that.

Nah, even visiters to the forum would quickly learn I am a jibbering rabid idiot and not to be listened to.

[Doggy Styles]

The referendum is then expected to be scrapped and then what?

Greeks carry on rioting when Greece adopts austerity measures and tries to make them pay tax.

At least with a referendum the Greek PM could:

If Yes - have their mandate to introduce measures
If No - have their implicit mandate to leave the euro

[scooterscot]

I don't know why all the fuss over such a small population.

That ^ ditty came from a German colleague.

[MrMark]

I reckon it's all those plates they smash. It's bound to bring the economy down over time.

[russell]

Dear Stavros, would you prefer:

a) ten or more years of public sector austerity in return for some loans from the EU
b) no pay, no pension, social disintegration, the army on the streets but you'll get to tell your grandchildren you stood up to those nasty Germans

C) Exit the Euro and become debt free and also be in control of your currency and not have to take orders from Merkel et al.

If they cant pay their debts they may as well get rid of all of it rather than 50% and have to tow the line for years to come.

[doodab]

Papendopodopolousus -'I know, this is a democracy. lets ask the people'

Dear Stavros, would you prefer:

a) ten or more years of public sector austerity in return for some loans from the EU
b) no pay, no pension, social disintegration, the army on the streets but you'll get to tell your grandchildren you stood up to those nasty Germans

[suityou01]

from bbc news

The referendum is then expected to be scrapped and then what?

Never a quiet day in Greece

If the referendum is revoked I'd expect more riots.