Reply to: Kids' football

[Incognito]

I have no idea - I'm not keen to raise the subject again to ask!

Important question is whether it's 'ball to hand or hand to ball'

Law 12 Handball

If the ball has hit his hand whilst the hand is positioned naturally it's no foul. If he has instinctively put his hand up (accidentally) it is a foul, unless he's naturally flinched and is trying to protect a bodily part, I.e. Balls, face.

Shouldn't have been a yellow if accidental.

[Doggy Styles]

Get him playing rugby then at least then no-one - player, parent, supporter - is allowed to question the ref.

That's because most parents and supporters at that level are baffled by the laws of rugby. It's just easier to take the ref's word for it.

[mudskipper]

If he was booked then the ref must have decided it was deliberate, but it should probably have been a red if it was on the goal line.



Laws of the game

All agreed it was accidental. Only person who saw it was lino. Ref spoke to lino who said it was accidental. Ref was very young himself - late teens.
Ah well - it appears to be forgotten today, and a booking will probably do his street cred good!

[Bunk]

If he was booked then the ref must have decided it was deliberate, but it should probably have been a red if it was on the goal line.

A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences:
• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity
by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within
his own penalty area)

Laws of the game

[SueEllen]

I have no idea - I'm not keen to raise the subject again to ask!

Get him playing rugby then at least then no-one - player, parent, supporter - is allowed to question the ref.

[mudskipper]

You didn't say where your son was positioning his hands.

If he had them away from his body a proper ref will usually construe that as attempting to spread himself to block the ball, even if that wasn't his specific intent.

The lesson for your son is keep your hands down, close to his body. A proper ref wouldn't give it then.

I have no idea - I'm not keen to raise the subject again to ask!

[Doggy Styles]

.... So now I've googled, and I can't find anything that suggests an accidental hand ball is a bookable offence. Indeed everything suggests that play should be allowed to continue.

I've helpfully pointed this out to both husband and son. Now they're both telling me to "shut up" and "what do you know about football?"

Law 12 Handball

You didn't say where your son was positioning his hands.

If he had them away from his body a proper ref will usually construe that as attempting to spread himself to block the ball, even if that wasn't his specific intent.

The lesson for your son is keep your hands down, close to his body. A proper ref wouldn't give it then.

[Zippy]

So Elvis handled the ball and Mr k2p2 grassed him up?
I'm confused ...

[mudskipper]

I've run the line many times

best to just stick to offside and throw ins.

Leave everything else to the ref, especially if it's against your team.

Good advice. But doesn't allow for the fact that husband knows more about football than players/refs/coaches/fifa and is never wrong about anything, especially football.

Oh dear. I'd slope off for a quiet pint while they sort it out.

Even better advice. They're now happily united against the common enemy (me) for offering an opinion on something I couldn't possibly begin to understand. (They've headed off to the Reading match, so will hopefully come home in a good mood after a win.)

Tell that to Stuart Pearce.

Certainly. Who's he? Does he post on CUK?

[TheFaQQer]

.... So now I've googled, and I can't find anything that suggests an accidental hand ball is a bookable offence. Indeed everything suggests that play should be allowed to continue.

I've helpfully pointed this out to both husband and son. Now they're both telling me to "shut up" and "what do you know about football?"

Law 12 Handball

Tell that to Stuart Pearce.

[Zippy]

Oh dear. I'd slope off for a quiet pint while they sort it out.

[MonzaMike]

leave it to ref

I've run the line many times

best to just stick to offside and throw ins.

Leave everything else to the ref, especially if it's against your team.

[mudskipper]

.... So now I've googled, and I can't find anything that suggests an accidental hand ball is a bookable offence. Indeed everything suggests that play should be allowed to continue.

I've helpfully pointed this out to both husband and son. Now they're both telling me to "shut up" and "what do you know about football?"

Law 12 Handball

[Troll]

Lino (husband) flagged defender (son) for goal line hand ball (accidental).

No-one else saw it, including ref.

Son got yellow card (which I believe comes with a fine - no idea how much) - other team scored from penalty.

Other team then goading son, who responded with a "shut up", getting him another warning from the ref and resulting in him being subbed "before he gets sent off".

Other dads think husband is out of order - he's supposed to be on "our" side.
Husband full of self-righteous indignation - thinks he deserves a medal for being impartial.
Son very upset by it all.

(FWIW, son admitted that the ball did hit his hand.)

Nice atmosphere in the k2p2 household at the moment...

Take him to rugby instead & make a man out of him - football is for nappy wearing effeminate types

HTH

[SimonMac]

Mazel tov!