Reply to: Huxley admission

[Mailman]

There is nothing to extrapolate out numpty...agents do not need to check with previous clients for the validity of your qualifications OR who you are...and as I said earlier...all your previous client is gonna do is tell them you did what you said you did (which would be a reference check which usually COMES AFTER you have a job offer).

My answer is it is in the conduct of agents regs in the section about ensuring ID quals etc.

The regs dont say an agent has to check with a PRIOR client for your identity and qualifications.

Mailman

[Churchill]

Precis: The original question is basically why do agents need references. My answer is it is in the conduct of agents regs in the section about ensuring ID quals etc.
Your point is what exactly?

Surely that is only if the contractor "opts in"...

[The Lone Gunman]

This is your quote numpty...where does it say they have to check with previous clients first?

Mailman

As I said before matey, I try to keep my posts short and expect my audience to be smart enough to extrapolate the rest of the argument for themselves (do you remember that bit), it helps to not have to spoon feed the idiots.
If you cant keep up don't join the race!

Or do you think I should have cut and pasted the whole document and then explained in fine detail my entire point? We could be here a long looooong time.

Precis: The original question is basically why do agents need references. My answer is it is in the conduct of agents regs in the section about ensuring ID quals etc.
Your point is what exactly?

[Mailman]

Agents are required BY LAW to be sure that the candidate is who they say they are and are qualified BEFORE forwarding their details to the client.

This is your quote numpty...where does it say they have to check with previous clients first?

Mailman

[Jabberwocky]

Oddly enough, I've just had an email from some bint at Hoaxley.

Wanted to make me one of her "gold" candidates with a special folder all to myself... just so long as I sent an uptodate CV and two references....

You may imagine how I replied...

Ummm ... only if you get your titz out Tina ?

[Lucifer Box]

I assume you asked her if she had purple hair.

[PerlOfWisdom]

Agents are required to be sure of your experience see section 19 b in my above post.
Just how do you expect them to be sure without checking references?

Yes, and you can't get much more certain about someone's experience than by ringing an unknown number supplied by the candidate.

[The Lone Gunman]

Moron Mailman

I like your new handle/signature. (a full stop might have changed the meaning)

Agents are required to be sure of your experience see section 19 b in my above post.
Just how do you expect them to be sure without checking references?

[Mailman]

There is nothing in section 19 of the regs that contradicts what I said (and where is the reference that agents must check a previous work reference before accepting you for a vacancy)?

Moron

Mailman

[The Lone Gunman]

Postman Prat: So this wasnt you then?

All a reference is going to confirm is whether what you said you did there is what really went on.

[Mailman]

Are you guys sure of your facts. Here is an extract from the DTI web site.


Postman Prat: Do you still need to be spoon fed, why cant you extrapolate an argument? ID = Passport, Quals = Degree certificate, Experience = referees.

You will notice feckwit that I made no reference to experience (just as you have no experience in dealing with the opposite sex ).

Mailman

[ASB]

Are you guys sure of your facts. Here is an extract from the DTI web site.



Postman Prat: Do you still need to be spoon fed, why cant you extrapolate an argument? ID = Passport, Quals = Degree certificate, Experience = referees.

There is nothing in the regs that allows the agent to accept affirmation from your Ltd. either though it does seem to be accepted practice, particularly if that affirmation contains an indemnity.

The question is whether those regs apply. If opted in then they do. Period. Thus ascertaining the bona fides and competence is legally required.

If opted out then under the letter of the law it is not the responsibility of the agency to establish bona fides etc.

However, in practical terms even an opted LTD is seen as a risk. This is due to the different terminology used in terms of definition of worker. This causes people to err on the side of caution. Main grounds is if they have done all the checks and satified themselves they CAN'T get stuffed. Otherwise they might.

An example of the issue is illegal migrant workers are often supplied via a company that springs up solely for the purpose of supplying them. They agency regs don't apply. But who is it gets stiffed for the penalties? More often than not the consumer of the illegal resource.

[ThisAndThat]

And I hope this does not mean that you should now SEND (post/fax/email etc) copies of your passport/birth certificate/driving licence as I fail to see how that proves who you are. So in practice, you must meet the person who is doing the checking in person or how will anyone be sure that you are who you claim to be?

[Lockhouse]

It's easy...

The simplest thing to do is to give them the names of the last two agents that you contracted through, rather than the names of the clients.

1) They can vouch that you worked at a particular site.

2) It fulfills any legal requirements for references

3) There's no danger of your current client being contacted if you don't get the gig.

3) It gives you a nice warm feeling...

Cheers,

[The Lone Gunman]

Are you guys sure of your facts. Here is an extract from the DTI web site.

Regulation 19 – Confirmation to be obtained about a work-seeker
Provides that an employment agency or employment business must not
introduce or supply a work-seeker to a hirer unless it has obtained
confirmation:
(a) of the identity of the work-seeker. This will mean seeing any
document which provides evidence of the work-seeker’s identity,
such as his/her passport, driving licence, birth certificate.By virtue
of regulation 32(6) this will extend to those persons provided
through limited company contractors, where the notice under
regulation 32(9) to opt out of the scope of the Regulations has not
been given;
(b) that the work-seeker has the experience, training, qualifications
and any authorisation which the hirer considers are necessary, or
which the worker needs to have by law or by the requirements of
any professional body, in order to carry out the work. This
obligation can be properly discharged by the agency or
employment business when registering a work-seeker. During the
registration process it should request sight of evidence of training
received, qualifications and authorisations such as certificates,
and registrations with professional bodies. Again by virtue of the
provisions of regulation 32(6), the requirements here must be
extended to those persons supplied through limited company
contractors, which have not given notice to opt out of the
Regulations; and
(c) that the work-seeker is willing to work in this position.

Postman Prat: Do you still need to be spoon fed, why cant you extrapolate an argument? ID = Passport, Quals = Degree certificate, Experience = referees.

There is nothing in the regs that allows the agent to accept affirmation from your Ltd. either though it does seem to be accepted practice, particularly if that affirmation contains an indemnity.