Reply to: Staging of Major Teerror Attack on USA Evident

[AlfredJPruffock]

Altough it has to be said that for all his bravery and Great Leadership demonstrated in WW2 by destroying the evil of Nazism - Churchill then let everybody down by allowing the evil Josef Stalin occupy Poland - a country whom we had pledged to protect and ultimately betrayed.

Geneeral Patton was correct - we should have bulldozed Stalin all the way back from Berlin to Moscow ahd finfished off the Evil Empire before they got the Bomb - speaking of Nazis I hope you are all going to tune in this Saturday



PS what do you think - we should do an episdoe about Stalin next ?

[AlfredJPruffock]

You could apply your "equivalence" arguments to WW2. we should never have declared are on Germany and that Churchill was a war criminal.

Nothing could be futher from the truth Old Bean - the picture says it all -

[Churchill]

Ok, but was the cheap oil price passed on to us? No!

Of course it was.

It was only when Governments realised what a cash-cow people buying petrol was that they ladelled all the duty on top.

Don't be dissing my namesake! He the man!

[Paddy]

Way to go Winston!!!

Ok, but was the cheap oil price passed on to us? No!

[Churchill]

According to Iran too. Iran was occupied in WW2 in order to get the oil for the war effort. During the British & Russian occupation the British stole all the Iranian gold reserves and the army pillaged the countryside. BP was established as the joint monopoly oil producer.

Way to go Winston!!!

[Paddy]

Originally Posted by DodgyAgent
You could apply your "equivalence" arguments to WW2. we should never have declared are on Germany and that Churchill was a war criminal.

Well according to the Boers, he was...

According to Iran too. Iran was occupied in WW2 in order to get the oil for the war effort. During the British & Russian occupation the British stole all the Iranian gold reserves and the army pillaged the countryside. BP was established as the joint monopoly oil producer.

[Churchill]

Well according to the Boers, he was...

I think you should give yourself up

Nah, history is written by the victor, or in this case the Churchill.

[DodgyAgent]

Well according to the Boers, he was...

I think you should give yourself up

[Churchill]

You could apply your "equivalence" arguments to WW2. we should never have declared are on Germany and that Churchill was a war criminal.

Well according to the Boers, he was...

[DodgyAgent]

What utter non-sense - and as I recall you are quire a conspiracy theorist yourself - for example the conspiracy theory that Iraq had WMDs ?

Again as for the topic of Iran - I wanted to know Atws rationale for wanting to go to War with Iran - I have not yet had a valid reason so I am intrigued as to what his real problem is with Iran..

Perhaps you can enlighten us on this point Atw.

May I bring to your attention - Iraq lead by CIA agent Saddam invaded Iran not vice versa as you maintain. -but I suspect you knew that already


The war began when Iraq invaded Iran, launching a simultaneous invasion by air and land into Iranian territory on 22 September 1980 following a long history of border disputes, and fears of Shia insurgency among Iraq's long-suppressed Shia majority influenced by the Iranian Revolution. Iraq was also aiming to replace Iran as the dominant Persian Gulf state. Although Iraq hoped to take advantage of the revolutionary chaos in Iran and attacked without formal warning, they made only limited progress into Iran and within several months were repelled by the Iranians who regained virtually all lost territory by June 1982. For the next six years, Iran was on the offensive.[19] Despite calls for a ceasefire by the United Nations Security Council, hostilities continued until 20 August 1988. The war finally ended with a United Nations brokered ceasefire in the form of United Nations Security Council Resolution 598, which was accepted by both sides. It took several weeks for the Iranian armed forces to evacuate Iraqi territory to honor pre-war international borders between the two nations (see 1975 Algiers Agreement). The last prisoners of war were exchanged in 2003.[19][20]

You could apply your "equivalence" arguments to WW2. we should never have declared are on Germany and that Churchill was a war criminal.

[AtW]

Again as for the topic of Iran - I wanted to know Atws rationale for wanting to go to War with Iran - I have not yet had a valid reason so I am intrigued as to what his real problem is with Iran..

My problem with Iran is that the way things go there will result in a nuclear conflict in the Middle East.

In such event the price of oil will hit $1000 per barrel and your salary will be just about enough to fill up a Mondeo.

[Paddy]

Because here he can disagree with Govt or religions all he wants and he won't get stoned to death or hung publicly.

HTH

Oi, let's not pick on those!

It's perfectly fine to be a left wing liberal apologist who has nothing better to cling to than conspiracy theories.

The only thing that should be required of those supporters of USSR or Iran is to go there and try to survive more than one year whilst expressing views that contradict official doctrine.

Iran has a bad enough government and it does not need enhanced propaganda from you to show them to be so. The main problem with government in Iran is one of corruption, not surprising as most governments in the world seem to suffer from the same failures.

Iran banned public executions five years ago unlike the USA that still has them.
Stoning was also banned even though the local courts still try to impose it they do get overruled by the Supreme Court. There are stoning is still going on in neighbouring Turkey.

Censorship in Turkey seems to be on a par with Iran, just try and access a few websites in Turkey and you will find out. There is about twelve independent opposition newspapers published in Iran, far more than the UK or USA. The government does try to close some of them down but they have not been successful.

The recent ant Iran stance has started since the Israeli people have been protesting about government expenditure on war to the detriment of their own citizen’s welfare. Hence also the raid on Gaza that has been going on for a month; reported in the world media except USA and the BBC. It is only since Hammas fired back rockets did the BBC start to report it.

The Israeli government are now getting tulip scared of their own people and their government and the USA will do anything to diver attention.

[AlfredJPruffock]

Alf you have always been a left wing liberal apologist who has nothing better to cling to than conspiracy theories.
You are confused because you have anti establishment tendencies but you are unsure as to how to express these. So you pick on Iran (invaders of Iraq in recent times) as a virtuous victim of "western imperialism". Still you can not square your own highly priviliged existence thanks entirely to being part of the establishment of the western world. No one takes your hypocrisy seriously.

What utter non-sense - and as I recall you are quire a conspiracy theorist yourself - for example the conspiracy theory that Iraq had WMDs ?

Again as for the topic of Iran - I wanted to know Atws rationale for wanting to go to War with Iran - I have not yet had a valid reason so I am intrigued as to what his real problem is with Iran..

Perhaps you can enlighten us on this point Atw.

May I bring to your attention - Iraq lead by CIA agent Saddam invaded Iran not vice versa as you maintain. -but I suspect you knew that already


The war began when Iraq invaded Iran, launching a simultaneous invasion by air and land into Iranian territory on 22 September 1980 following a long history of border disputes, and fears of Shia insurgency among Iraq's long-suppressed Shia majority influenced by the Iranian Revolution. Iraq was also aiming to replace Iran as the dominant Persian Gulf state. Although Iraq hoped to take advantage of the revolutionary chaos in Iran and attacked without formal warning, they made only limited progress into Iran and within several months were repelled by the Iranians who regained virtually all lost territory by June 1982. For the next six years, Iran was on the offensive.[19] Despite calls for a ceasefire by the United Nations Security Council, hostilities continued until 20 August 1988. The war finally ended with a United Nations brokered ceasefire in the form of United Nations Security Council Resolution 598, which was accepted by both sides. It took several weeks for the Iranian armed forces to evacuate Iraqi territory to honor pre-war international borders between the two nations (see 1975 Algiers Agreement). The last prisoners of war were exchanged in 2003.[19][20]

[AtW]

Alf you have always been a left wing liberal apologist who has nothing better to cling to than conspiracy theories.

Oi, let's not pick on those!

It's perfectly fine to be a left wing liberal apologist who has nothing better to cling to than conspiracy theories.

The only thing that should be required of those supporters of USSR or Iran is to go there and try to survive more than one year whilst expressing views that contradict official doctrine.

[DodgyAgent]

I asked Atw his reasoning behind wanting to attack Iran - I have not been to Iran but I would be interested to visit - oh and Iran does have quite a large and active Jewish community too - cant be that bad a place- eh - or do we just destroy another nation because of our Oil Addiction ?

Although Iran and Israel are bitter enemies, few know that Iran is home to the largest number of Jews anywhere in the Middle East outside Israel.

About 25,000 Jews live in Iran and most are determined to remain no matter what the pressures - as proud of their Iranian culture as of their Jewish roots.

BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Iran's proud but discreet Jews


"Because of our long history here we are tolerated," says Jewish community leader Unees Hammami, who organised the prayers.

He says the father of Iran's revolution, Imam Khomeini, recognised Jews as a religious minority that should be protected.

As a result Jews have one representative in the Iranian parliament.

"Imam Khomeini made a distinction between Jews and Zionists and he supported us," says Mr Hammami.

Alf you have always been a left wing liberal apologist who has nothing better to cling to than conspiracy theories.
You are confused because you have anti establishment tendencies but you are unsure as to how to express these. So you pick on Iran (invaders of Iraq in recent times) as a virtuous victim of "western imperialism". Still you can not square your own highly priviliged existence thanks entirely to being part of the establishment of the western world. No one takes your hypocrisy seriously.