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I can't see how driving a train requires that much skill. Does it need more skill than driving an articulated lorry? Also, not all train drivers drive the 125 mph passenger trains. A fair few drive the painfully slow and zero passengers freight trains.
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Originally posted by scotspinewish we could chat some more on this hyperd - i was at lockerbie with the mountain rescue and ever since have had trouble flying. it has become increasingly stressful and i'm thinking about doing a course to see whether that will decrease the angst.... i now envy people who actually enjoy it.
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Originally posted by red dalekAnd before Davros starts - remember, I had to open the hatch in your casing and empty your pooh pot everyday?
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Originally posted by hyperDThere's a quantum leap in the learning ability to fly a passenger jet compared with a train or tube.
Apart from the 1500 hours of flying required before an ATPL and the 2 years of training and ground school including aeronautics, meteology, flight management, navigation, , the bi-yearly (or more) checks are intensive and include landing gear failure, engine failures, windshear drills etc on the simulator plus requiring to pass a yearly Class I medical.
Also, they don't just jump in a plane and press buttons: NOTAMS, weather briefings, calculating best altitude for fuel management, cockpit management, weight/balance calcs, STARS and SIDS etc etc
I'm not decrying the skill required to drive a tube or train, but it's a fair way off to comparing an airline pilot's skills.
Although FMCs and autopilots/cockpit management make the workload of the flight easier to manage, especially during high cockpit workloads, it's when things go wrong that you thank that these guys in the front seat have the skills to cope with any unexpected deviation from normal flight.
Autopilot disengagements still require the skills of a pilot to land at Hong Kong in minimums with windshear for instance - bit different from stopping the train when you see a red light.
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Perhaps a good way to deport illegals.... tie them to the french end of the channel tunnel....
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Commercial airline pilots are held in high esteem, yet nowadays, they barely have to touch the controls except to program-in the flight plan prior to takeoff.
Apart from the 1500 hours of flying required before an ATPL and the 2 years of training and ground school including aeronautics, meteology, flight management, navigation, , the bi-yearly (or more) checks are intensive and include landing gear failure, engine failures, windshear drills etc on the simulator plus requiring to pass a yearly Class I medical.
Also, they don't just jump in a plane and press buttons: NOTAMS, weather briefings, calculating best altitude for fuel management, cockpit management, weight/balance calcs, STARS and SIDS etc etc
I'm not decrying the skill required to drive a tube or train, but it's a fair way off to comparing an airline pilot's skills.
Although FMCs and autopilots/cockpit management make the workload of the flight easier to manage, especially during high cockpit workloads, it's when things go wrong that you thank that these guys in the front seat have the skills to cope with any unexpected deviation from normal flight.
Autopilot disengagements still require the skills of a pilot to land at Hong Kong in minimums with windshear for instance - bit different from stopping the train when you see a red light.
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I investigated tube driving but that is apparently boring beyond belief. It's just a case of having a lever for stop/go and a button for open/close. If you are on the Jubliee line you get even less to do which is why tube drivers have been caught reading, studying for exams, drinking, eating and half asleep. Oh and tube drivers can't get lost train drivers can
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Originally posted by bogeymanDon't you think it requires more than a little nerve to carry 500 odd passengers at 125+ mph, over badly-maintained, possibly sabotaged-by-ASBOs track, day-in and day-out, fully knowing that if there's a major failure anywhere in the system that you will either: -
a) die horribly
b) be blamed and scapegoated for the tragedy
c) probably both
eh?
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Originally posted by Emperor DalekWhen I was a little Kaled mutant I wanted to be a train driver when I grew up.
And all the time we thought you simply wanted to be emporer of Skaro, and ultimately the universe!
Listen up, bulb-head! While you've been swaning around in time and space playing trains on some human contractor forum in their early 21st c., someone has had to hold things together - guess who? Yep me - poor old Red Dalek. Picking up all your tulip all over again - as usual!
And before Davros starts - remember, I had to open the hatch in your casing and empty your pooh pot everyday?
So, get your goddam fat golden arse back to Skaro asap, and shape up!
Love
Red
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Originally posted by Emperor DalekNerve?! There shouldn't be. There are too many lives at stake to require relying on a fat, hairy, disinterested train driver, who has wedged the dead man's handle down with his lunch box and is watching DVDs on his portable player.
a) die horribly
b) be blamed and scapegoated for the tragedy
c) probably both
eh?
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Originally posted by bogeymanThere's a lot of skill in driving a train (yes, I know it runs on rails and you don't have to stear it) but other than that, it takes a lot of judgement, knowledge, coordination, concentration and nerve.
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Originally posted by TonyEnglish"Would you rather sit on your fat hairy @rse at the pointy end of the train all day...
There's a lot of skill in driving a train (yes, I know it runs on rails and you don't have to stear it) but other than that, it takes a lot of judgement, knowledge, coordination, concentration and nerve.
Commercial airline pilots are held in high esteem, yet nowadays, they barely have to touch the controls except to program-in the flight plan prior to takeoff.
Poor old train drivers have to have the same medical exams as airline pilots and be at least as sober and competent, but everyone treats them like tulip.
It's not fair
(disclaimer: I am not a train driver)
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I think saying you need to be technically gifted to drive a train is a bit over the top as well.
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"I find it fascinating that people who 10 years ago wouldn't have considered train driving are drawn to our profession," said Aslef general secretary Keith Norman.
"Train drivers used to emerge from a set pattern - they were technically rather than academically gifted men, often from 'railway families', who came to the job after working in other capacities in the industry."
I think the fact that it is 35k for a 34 hour week may have something to do with it. Would you rather sit on your fat hairy @rse at the pointy end of the train all day or do something such as teaching where the little feckers mouth off to you and where you can't give them a slap.
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