Hello Rioters

[TestMangler]

Aye TM

The name's Anderson.

Would rather have a 'deaths head beltbuckle and double sewn seams' if you don't mind

[AlfredJPruffock]

Thanks for that Mr Tull............

Aye TM

The name's Anderson.

[TestMangler]

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Who would be a poor man ? A beggarman - a thief ??

If he had a rich man in his hand.

And who would steal the candy-
from a laughing baby's mouth ?

If he could take it from the money man.

Cross-eyed Mary goes jumping in again.
She signs no contract
but she always plays the game.

Thanks for that Mr Tull............

[shaunbhoy]

Education is not just about getting qualifications but also teaching kids to become responsible adults. Years ago it would have been the responsibility of the parents and extended family to teach the kids on how to behave but today it’s left to the schools. The matter is made worse when some schools let the pupils decide what they want to do when in fact they are too young to decide.

WPS

"Education" encompasses all aspects of moulding children into responsible adults, and is a job that is beholden upon everyone involved with them. Sadly it seems to be too big a job for many parents, very often single ones, who simultaneously attempt to carry out a role that really requires two, whilst also holding down a job. It is little wonder that they often come up short.
In many of the worst schools, there seems to be too much emphasis on teaching the children all about their "Rights", and too little effort put into reminding them that along with those rights come a number of "Responsibilities".
This has been a problem long in the making, and will probably take even longer to sort out. No silver bullets on this one I'm afraid.
Too much wishy-washy socialist meddling, and now all the chickens are coming home to roost.

[Mich the Tester]

Education is not just about getting qualifications but also teaching kids to become responsible adults. Years ago it would have been the responsibility of the parents and extended family to teach the kids on how to behave but today it’s left to the schools. The matter is made worse when some schools let the pupils decide what they want to do when in fact they are too young to decide.

Yep, and if schools are constantly subjected to GCSE league tables as the only measure of quality there'll be no room for the moral aspects.

My only experience of teaching kids is in coaching at the rugby club, and no, they certainly aren't all kids from nice middle class backgrounds; quite a few are from the nextdoor council estate and can only train because a sponsor pays their membership fees. They respond well to positive role models, but the key is to avoid falling into the trap of trying to coach a rugby team to win matches. I attended a seminar by Roger Uttley (ex England player and coach) about youth coaching and he was very clear that coaching youngsters is about helping them to develop as people and providing structured enjoyment and adult guidance, and last of all about getting results on the field. I think there's a parallel with schooling; someone who comes out of school with minimal qualifications but the kind of character to understand effort and working with other people will do a lot better in life than if you just obsess over his exam results.

[Paddy]

Education is not just about getting qualifications but also teaching kids to become responsible adults. Years ago it would have been the responsibility of the parents and extended family to teach the kids on how to behave but today it’s left to the schools. The matter is made worse when some schools let the pupils decide what they want to do when in fact they are too young to decide.

[jmo21]

I saw a few people post this on facebook last night, but I have to admit I don't have a scooby what it is about

edit: I should have googled first.... an old spice advert?!? lol!

[AlfredJPruffock]

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Who would be a poor man ? A beggarman - a thief ??

If he had a rich man in his hand.

And who would steal the candy-
from a laughing baby's mouth ?

If he could take it from the money man.

Cross-eyed Mary goes jumping in again.
She signs no contract
but she always plays the game.

[Old Greg]

Aye EO

As for morality - lets leave that to the boyz in the Vatican !

Interesting though to reflect on Xoggoths comments on advanced criminals - certainly in the worlld of banking politics and business there have been some very qualified and talented individuals who resorted to Crime (eg Bank of CCI - Tony Blair- Wall St Bailouts and Enron) .

As Brecht once put it - Whom is the greatest criminal - the person who robs the bank - or the person who owns the bank ?

Aye - theres the rub ...

They hang the man and flog the woman
That steals the goose from off the common
But let the greater villain loose
That steals the common from off the goose.

[EternalOptimist]

Aye EO

As for morality - lets leave that to the boyz in the Vatican !

Interesting though to reflect on Xoggoths comments on advanced criminals - certainly in the worlld of banking politics and business there have been some very qualified and talented individuals who resorted to Crime (eg Bank of CCI - Tony Blair- Wall St Bailouts and Enron) .

As Brecht once put it - Whom is the greatest criminal - the person who robs the bank - or the person who owns the bank ?

Aye - theres the rub ...

there is no right or wrong outside of religion ?

now that's an interesting idea Alf

[Mich the Tester]

As for morality - lets leave that to the boyz in the Vatican !

Are they still keeping boys in the Vatican?

You'd have thought they'd have got the message by now what with all the court cases and the dressing down they got from the Irish PM.

[AlfredJPruffock]

Aye EO

As for morality - lets leave that to the boyz in the Vatican !

Interesting though to reflect on Xoggoths comments on advanced criminals - certainly in the worlld of banking politics and business there have been some very qualified and talented individuals who resorted to Crime (eg Bank of CCI - Tony Blair- Wall St Bailouts and Enron) .

As Brecht once put it - Whom is the greatest criminal - the person who robs the bank - or the person who owns the bank ?

Aye - theres the rub ...

[EternalOptimist]

On that topic - I just read this fascinating article from Xoggoth's Blog


It does make you wonder if some obvious cures to human society would fail because of effects we had not thought of.

What if we exterminated major criminals in death camps for example? It's a bit Adolphy but it would certainly produce a much safer and pleasanter society for the rest of us.

Or would it?

Much crime is by a hopeless underclass but get them out of the way, in effect remove all the workers of what can be very lucrative industries, and would not at least some upright citizens see a great opportunity, move in and fill the gap?

Would our new Adolphy laws dissuade all of them? Probably not, because we see over and over with crime that fear of consequences if caught do not always deter.

And maybe too, if our criminal class was more intelligent and educated, they would make a much better job of it than the current underclass.

Current burglars might nick a lot of your stuff but how much more could they do if they had MScs in burglary, if the whole thing had been meticulously planned by intelligent professionals to maximise the take and minimise the chance of capture or detection?

what's missing from this analysis (and from our current crop of looter/rioters)

is any notion that it might be morally wrong

[AlfredJPruffock]

On that topic - I just read this fascinating article from Xoggoth's Blog


It does make you wonder if some obvious cures to human society would fail because of effects we had not thought of.

What if we exterminated major criminals in death camps for example? It's a bit Adolphy but it would certainly produce a much safer and pleasanter society for the rest of us.

Or would it?

Much crime is by a hopeless underclass but get them out of the way, in effect remove all the workers of what can be very lucrative industries, and would not at least some upright citizens see a great opportunity, move in and fill the gap?

Would our new Adolphy laws dissuade all of them? Probably not, because we see over and over with crime that fear of consequences if caught do not always deter.

And maybe too, if our criminal class was more intelligent and educated, they would make a much better job of it than the current underclass.

Current burglars might nick a lot of your stuff but how much more could they do if they had MScs in burglary, if the whole thing had been meticulously planned by intelligent professionals to maximise the take and minimise the chance of capture or detection?

[SimonMac]

Look at your friend, now back to me. Now at your friend, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me. But if he stopped using petrol bombs and started using a job centre he could potentially be me. Look down, back up. Where are we? You're at an interview with the man your friend could work for. What's in your hand? Back at me. I have it. It's an application form to that job you need. Look again. The form is now money. Anything is possible when you get a job and stop looting.
I'm on a horse