FFS £3,500 per week!

[Churchill]

So let's see.............£500 quid a day.
So advance book a travelodge family room for about £20 a night. Now in their business plan must be the potential for changing the bed everynight. So bedwetting/laundry not an economic issue.
Rent adjoining room for similar amount(£20), hire a trained Nurse, and pay this Nurse a nightly rate of £150 a night to care for elderly patient. Sleeping duty for the most part, happy days.
Also hire a Nurse for the Day shifts and pay them the same rate. They can wheel the elderly patient around the car park whilst the hotel staff do the room cleaning, and take them for their meals at the adjoining Little Chef/Harvester. Total cost for Meals approx. £40 a day.
So, total for day is 20 + 20 + 40 + 150 + 150 = £380. Therefore profit each day =£120. Times that by 365 and you get around £43800 a year PER Patient!!! Can anyone else see a Plan B here?



Boomed I tell ya! This time next year Rodders!!

Bannatyne's business career began almost immediately after his move to Stockton-on-Tees with an ice cream van purchased for £450. He soon expanded by buying more vans and eventually sold the business for £28,000, founding a nursing home business instead. He sold his nursing home business Quality Care Homes for £46 million in 1997 and children's nursery chain Just Learning for £22 million.

[shaunbhoy]

So let's see.............£500 quid a day.
So advance book a travelodge family room for about £20 a night. Now in their business plan must be the potential for changing the bed everynight. So bedwetting/laundry not an economic issue.
Rent adjoining room for similar amount(£20), hire a trained Nurse, and pay this Nurse a nightly rate of £150 a night to care for elderly patient. Sleeping duty for the most part, happy days.
Also hire a Nurse for the Day shifts and pay them the same rate. They can wheel the elderly patient around the car park whilst the hotel staff do the room cleaning, and take them for their meals at the adjoining Little Chef/Harvester. Total cost for Meals approx. £40 a day.
So, total for day is 20 + 20 + 40 + 150 + 150 = £380. Therefore profit each day =£120. Times that by 365 and you get around £43800 a year PER Patient!!! Can anyone else see a Plan B here?



Boomed I tell ya! This time next year Rodders!!

[Gibbon]

I can only speak for Leeds, but this kind of abuse is certainly not endemic. Most Learning Difficulty (LD) clients no longer live in hotels but in individual tenancies with staff supervision being a light touch approach. Only the very profound cases are in hostels due to complex needs. Autonomy is encouraged wherever possible and the clients even have their own council where they have a say, limited obviously, in how their lives are run. But then Leeds City Council, being a little more ‘backwards’ has most of it’s LD community still in public care.

There will always be bad staff but the panorama program shows what happens when the management team is not functioning and there are some bad/abusive staff. This is more difficult to police in an outsourced provider as they tend to be at arms length. Also, the CQC gets inundated with disgruntled staff making allegations, it really is a wheat from chaff job and unfortunately some slip through although this is not good enough and measures should be put in place to prevent this in future.

One of the previous posts alluded to the fact that we chuck our vunerable into care rather than look after them. Again a misconception, most of the LD community live at home with carers and attend day centres and also have council respite care a few weeks a year to give the carers a break. Even these day centres are being reworked and rather than lumping them all in one building there is a drive to give them personal choice and to allow more intergration into the wider community by visiting and using public facilities and other leisure places. Funny enough the areas where this is more likely to be resisted is the affluent areas of Leeds with the poorer sink estate type of area far being more welcoming and helpful.

[Scrag Meister]

FFS £3,500 per week!

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Come on, it's not such a bad rate.

[MarillionFan]

The whole question of care in the UK is interesting.

In other countries/cultures around the world, extended families care for their elderly parents, disabled, mentally handicapped. It seems only in the west, and extremely prevalent in the UK that come a point where someone cannot look after themselves we 'bang then up' in some dingy building looked after by minimum wagers who resent the fact they have crap jobs.

Odd.

[SueEllen]

Well, this one is a bit of toughie isn't it? The rational amoung us would think that for that kind of money a five star service would be offered.
It isn't of course, partly because profit has crept in to the equation. Care is a monopoly (hey we got that LA contract so feck 'em!), in part staffed by people who do not chose the job but are taken on 'cos they need the job. Minimum wage, not respected, no requirement to do a great job, not appreciated. I have known people who took on that job and did it with pride and professionalism but, sadly, not so much any more.
This kind of care needs to be taken away from profit centres, cost centres, private companies and taken back into where it belongs - the public sector. Maybe then we'll all care before some tv programme causes us all to start wringing our hands and bemoaning the fact that 'they' don't.

The public sector isn't any better though hence why the private sector was brought in as a way to get rid of large institutions.

The program pointed out that:
1. The "carers" were earning more than minimum wage
2. The structured activities that the carers where suppose to do to entertain the patients were indaquate and boring for both parties.

The program also indicated that none of the patients where ill enough to be in a hospital and they should have been in residental homes.

[Zippy]

Well, this one is a bit of toughie isn't it? The rational amoung us would think that for that kind of money a five star service would be offered.
It isn't of course, partly because profit has crept in to the equation. Care is a monopoly (hey we got that LA contract so feck 'em!), in part staffed by people who do not chose the job but are taken on 'cos they need the job. Minimum wage, not respected, no requirement to do a great job, not appreciated. I have known people who took on that job and did it with pride and professionalism but, sadly, not so much any more.
This kind of care needs to be taken away from profit centres, cost centres, private companies and taken back into where it belongs - the public sector. Maybe then we'll all care before some tv programme causes us all to start wringing our hands and bemoaning the fact that 'they' don't.

[EternalOptimist]

the missus runs a couple of teams of carers in Manchester

I dont know about the economics (i will try to find out), but one thing is for sure

the 'carers' don't 'care'

it's a minimum wage job, and I would say (hearsay) only 1 in five gives a sh1t


horror stories on demand - if you are interested

[MarillionFan]

For £3,500 a week you have a personal servant who is at your beck and call night and day, and rent a really nice house to house all your other servants and the stuff you could buy with all the money that is left over.

I only pay £1500 a week for my butler.

[TimberWolf]

For £3,500 a week you have a personal servant who is at your beck and call night and day, and rent a really nice house to house all your other servants and the stuff you could buy with all the money that is left over.

[SueEllen]

Southern Cross who look after old people are basically bust.

So yes you can win in the care business but you can also lose as care homes/hospitals are land and staff intensive. You have to provide 24 hour care for patients and you have a high turnover of staff as you have to pay them tulip otherwise you make no profit.

[Ruprect]

FFS £3,500 per week!

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In the wrong business

[Paddy]

FFS £3,500 per week!

The hospital charges taxpayers an average of £3,500 per patient per week and Castlebeck has an annual turnover of £90m

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