Reply to: Independent Scotland

[Mich the Tester]

Hmmm...Scotland:

Cultural - there was a good reason Hadrian built the wall & unless alcohol abuse and wearing skirts is a cultural trait can't think of anything else

Artistic- Piss artists maybe... the painters seem very mediocre, singers - Susan Boyle/ Sheena Easton /Waterboys/UltraVox appears to be as good as it gets,



Sporting - Scottish football - always good for a laugh at the World Cup

Social - not the kind of people you really would want to invite to any function

Should have know better than to try putting sensible comments in CUK General.

[russell]

Remind me, were you the migraine or the uncontrollable tulips?

That, BTW, is a metaphor

Don't give up the day job, those Asda trolleys won't organise themselves.

[doodab]

Thats how anyone with an IQ above 50 would have read it, but doodab is a bit slow.

Remind me, were you the migraine or the uncontrollable tulips?

That, BTW, is a metaphor

[doodab]

I think he was trying to signify that Scotland would be the 'rich boy' of the Eurozone, using Switzerland as an example of fiscal success.

Yes, that's certainly true of the original report. Unfortunately the quote from Salmond obfuscated that somewhat.

[russell]

Go away knobjockey you're making the side look bad.

Its time you were banned again.

[Churchill]

Go away knobjockey you're making the side look bad.

Care in the community. Where's your social conscience?

[Ignis Fatuus]

Hmmm...Scotland:

Cultural - there was a good reason Hadrian built the wall & unless alcohol abuse and wearing skirts is a cultural trait can't think of anything else
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Not that it is the point, but Hadrian built the wall to keep out maurauders. The Romans didn't bring the land now called Scotland into the Roman Empire not alas because the Scots (who actually weren't there yet anyway) were too brave to conquer, but because the Roman Empire was based on colonising people rather than land, and there just weren't enough people up there to make it viable.

[Incognito]

Thats how anyone with an IQ above 50 would have read it, but doodab is a bit slow.

Go away knobjockey you're making the side look bad.

[russell]

I think he was trying to signify that Scotland would be the 'rich boy' of the Eurozone, using Switzerland as an example of fiscal success. That's how I read it.

Full article below:

How black gold was hijacked: North sea oil and the betrayal of Scotland - This Britain, UK - The Independent

Thats how anyone with an IQ above 50 would have read it, but doodab is a bit slow.

[Incognito]

Whether you take Europe to mean the EU or the entire continent makes no difference.

Case A)
Europe the continent - Switzerland is Europe's Switzerland.

Case B)
Europe the EU - Switzerland is Europe's Switzerland, i.e. a country apart, and for Scotland to be on the same footing would require Scotland to leave the EU, not simply the UK.

He might have meant "Scotland could be the UK's Switzerland" (which would have been a metaphor) but that isn't what he said.

I think he was trying to signify that Scotland would be the 'rich boy' of the Eurozone, using Switzerland as an example of fiscal success. That's how I read it.

Full article below:

How black gold was hijacked: North sea oil and the betrayal of Scotland - This Britain, UK - The Independent

[Ignis Fatuus]

No it isn't. If he had said "Europe's Bangladesh" or "Europe's Texas" it would be a metaphor, but as Switzerland is slap bang in the middle of ******* Europe I'm afraid it's just the figure of speech known as "an idiot talking bollocks"

Feel free to post some more examples of things you don't understand so I can help you with them. It's not like I have a lot of work on at the moment.

Thanks but I don't often find things I don't understand. Things I don't like, a surfeit.

I did notice that the metaphor was illogical, in that as you say Switzerland is already in Europe so it is Europe's Switzerland, and that is a fact rather than a metaphor. However the original text does imply that Scotland would be a "Switzerland", so it is a metaphor.

I see your point though.

[doodab]

Perhaps you should consider the statement in its full context and consider what the discussion is regarding before placing foot to mouth.

Nonsense is nonsense, regardless of what one feels about Scottish independence or ones prognosis for an independent Scotland's economic prospects.

I'll give you a little clue, below is a map signifying the EU, commonly referred to as Europe in political circles (rightly or wrongly).

What do you think the little grey bit surrounded by all the green is on the map around about where Switzerland lies?

Whether you take Europe to mean the EU or the entire continent makes no difference.

Case A)
Europe the continent - Switzerland is Europe's Switzerland.

Case B)
Europe the EU - Switzerland is Europe's Switzerland, i.e. a country apart, and for Scotland to be "Europe's Switzerland" would require Scotland to leave the EU, not simply the UK.

He might have meant "Scotland could be the UK's Switzerland" (which would have been a metaphor) but that isn't what he said.

[Troll]

for their cultural, artistic, sporting or social contribution?
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Hmmm...Scotland:

Cultural - there was a good reason Hadrian built the wall & unless alcohol abuse and wearing skirts is a cultural trait can't think of anything else

Artistic- Piss artists maybe... the painters seem very mediocre, singers - Susan Boyle/ Sheena Easton /Waterboys/UltraVox appears to be as good as it gets,



Sporting - Scottish football - always good for a laugh at the World Cup

Social - not the kind of people you really would want to invite to any function

[Churchill]

I'd be interested to know just how many Scots would vote for independence, for that matter who would be eligible to vote? I'd guess only those on the electoral rolls in Scotland.
It would have a noticeable effect on Westminster elections if Scotland did secede.

Every Scot who blamed others for his misfortune would vote for independence. At latest estimates around 80%

[russell]

What always strikes me about discussions around Scots or Welsh independence is how many people go on about the economic contribution of various parts of the UK, which vary through the years anyway. At times in the past, different regions have contributed different economic factors to the economy; Wales produced coal and steel for a long time, Scotland produced ships, England produced business skills etc. In ten years time, things may be different and we really don't know which region will be contributing more or less. Anyway is that really all that matters? Are people to be valued purely by their economic contribution to the whole or shouldn't people be viewed in a more rounded way, for their cultural, artistic, sporting or social contribution?

Sometimes I think the whole 'homo economicus' thing goes a bit too far. There are other values that are important.

Nah its all about the money.