Reply to: Policing

[Churchill]

I note in passing that the rhyme is singing the praises of the black sheep. It produces "three bags full":
"one for the master" i.e. a contribution to society
"one for the dame" i.e. provision for the family
"and one for the little boy who lives down the lane" i.e. a charitable contribution for the less-well off.

Rather like the 24 inch rule...

[zathras]

It would be too much to hope the the numpties would actually stop and think about it

but surely in the politically correct world one is absolved from any form of thinking. One is also required not to use one's faculties to actually find out about something before uttering some banality.

[bogeyman]

They'll ban Humpty Dumpty next for littering the pavement.....

Modern Nursery Rhymes (as approved by HMG DoE)

Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall. Then a copper came along ang gave him an on the spot fine and an ASBO for offensive wall-sitting.

Little Jack Horner sat in the corner eating a Christmas pie; He put in his thumb, And pulled out a plum and was promptly arrested under the sex offences act for displaying his 'plum' in front of other minors.

Little Miss Muffet, sat on a tuffet, Eating her curds and whey - and was taken into care by her local authority owing to the fact that her inappropriate diet did not contain five fruits or vegetables a day.

Ring a ring o' roses,
A pocket full of posies,
A-tishoo! A-tishoo!
Bird flu all round!

[Xenophon]

'Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep have you any organic byproduct collected by volunteers for equal distribution' doesn't have the same ring to it.

[Sputnik]

I note in passing that the rhyme is singing the praises of the black sheep. It produces "three bags full":
"one for the master" i.e. a contribution to society
"one for the dame" i.e. provision for the family
"and one for the little boy who lives down the lane" i.e. a charitable contribution for the less-well off.

good point well presented. It would be too much to hope the the numpties would actually stop and think about it..........
'Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep have you any organic byproduct collected by volunteers for equal distribution' doesn't have the same ring to it.


They'll ban Humpty Dumpty next for littering the pavement.....

[expat]

Yes. Was on the Today prog this morning.

Aparently some right-thinking PC idiot assumed the rhyme was to do with slavery - rather than the wool-tax (a middle-ages tax on all wool except that from black sheep).

Sheesh!

I note in passing that the rhyme is singing the praises of the black sheep. It produces "three bags full":
"one for the master" i.e. a contribution to society
"one for the dame" i.e. provision for the family
"and one for the little boy who lives down the lane" i.e. a charitable contribution for the less-well off.

[bogeyman]

I've heard today the the PC police are now wanting to change the words of the nursery rhyme Baa Baa Black Sheep and replace 'Black' with....

Rainbow!!

I kid you not.

Yes. Was on the Today prog this morning.

Aparently some right-thinking PC idiot assumed the rhyme was to do with slavery - rather than the wool-tax (a middle-ages tax on all wool except that from black sheep).

Sheesh!

[Sputnik]

I've heard today the the PC police are now wanting to change the words of the nursery rhyme Baa Baa Black Sheep and replace 'Black' with....






Rainbow!!

I kid you not.

[bogeyman]

our police are becoming some form of Political Correctness enforcement.

Exactly so, under the diligent command of the "PC PC" Sir Ian Blair.

Almost every arm of the state is now heavily politicised from the top down.

[expat]

And that is where the whole thing gets absurd. In displaying those he broke no law (otherwise he would have been charged). Yet goods were seized. No doubt at the same time some crime was committed.

Low level crime is allowed and our police are becoming some form of Political Correctness enforcement.

It seems to me that many of the "PC" crimes that end up looking silly, do so because the essence of the charge is not YOU DID THIS but THEY MIGHT BE OFFENDED/ALARMED/UPSET by what you do. Perhaps that should be abolished.

[zathras]

It also means the poor schmuck that puts Golliwogs in his shop window.

And that is where the whole thing gets absurd. In displaying those he broke no law (otherwise he would have been charged). Yet goods were seized. No doubt at the same time some crime was committed.

Low level crime is allowed and our police are becoming some form of Political Correctness enforcement.

[Sputnik]

My rant was pretty generic i admit, and i'm sure some educated offenders go on to be 'law-abiding citizens' - although Bliar is technically one of those so i'm not sure about the validity of the phrase.
I think what is desperately missing is a sensible sentencing structure. Under the current guidelines one judge might decide on one thing, another on something different. Whats with sentencing some coffin-dodger who won't pay his council tax to a month in prison, while work-shy scrotes get community service for crimes which have far more of an impact on their victim. Justice my arse.

I have a friend who is a solicitor who told me once of a young lad of maybe 12 who got nicked for the umpteenth time. He was sat in the interview with his mum, calling the coppers c***s, my friend - defending him - a c***. All in front of his mum. Eventually she turns on him and tells him to stop using the C word and says 'how many times have i told you not to use that. Say tw@t' instead!! Class.

[bogeyman]

Bring it on but that means every law. That includes cyclists who ignore red lights, ride on the pavement.

That means the person smoking a joint

That means the person dropping litter

It also means the poor schmuck that puts Golliwogs in his shop window.

[sasguru]

What wrong with you scum, man? Peace and Love, man. Freedom from the pigs. Yeah. Right on. Groovy.

[expat]

Recidivism is running at about 70% last I looked so re-education works for 30%. That has got to be a good thing.
3 strikes is a good idea (IMHO) though as I have said before, I favour a tarrif system with discounts.

e.g. Burglary carries 5 years. 1st offence allows 50% reduction, not wasting courts time carries further 25% not wasting Police time carries further.
Figures are for example so dont argue about them.
Doing a runner or lying at interview removes Police discount. Pleading not guilty removes court discount and so on.
All puts pressure on crim not to take the piss. At the moment they make up any story knowing that once they get to court they can change their plea and rely on the liberal system to give them a minimum sentence.

It does seem to me to make sense that, after someone has given excellent grounds for taking them to be a career criminal, you would treat them differently from someone who might be reformed or deterred by a normal sentence: for those who have already thrown away that opportunity more than once, the onus would shift and you would want to see some sign that they had changed, before they easily get out (or get off) again.

In the case of particularly offensive personal violence, especially sexual and/or deranged in nature, we might want some convincing that they had changed before contemplating allowing them to walk the streets again.