Reply to: What unemployment?

[Sockpuppet]

Rush-hour traffic and crowded trains on my commute suggest more people in work than any time in the past three years.

My back-up measure of pub and restaurant usage supports this.

So is it mainly those in low-paid, non-commuting work who can't get jobs?

Or people are having to travel further to find what work there is.

[Doggy Styles]

And in my reply I did mention that Rush-Hour traffic will always be bad and get worse due to the lack of space on roads, not because of less unemployment.

Ah yes, I appreciate that, but what I said was that the rush-hour traffic is up recently, which means it has got worse.

It got lighter for a year or two until about last November/December, but seems to have doubled since then. Well, it probably hasn't really doubled but it's significantly heavier.

That's only what I observe in my area.

So where are all those extra people going at that time of the morning and evening, if not to work?

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

I did mention in the OP that rush-hour traffic was also up.

This is on a cross-country route between Dunstable and, er, Wycombe I suppose.

And in my reply I did mention that Rush-Hour traffic will always be bad and get worse due to the lack of space on roads, not because of less unemployment.

[sasguru]

I haven't looked at the raw data to drill down to employment prospects per study area per university. But given that Cambridge is 13th in a list sorted by employment prospects per university (click on the table heading given in my link to sort) for all subjects, there's nothing to suggest what you say is correct.

You really are as thick as two infinitely thick planks nailed together aren't you?

[Doggy Styles]

There is a very simple explanation for this:

People are now training it instead of using cars. Due to petrol prices and mileage costs it is now much cheaper. I travel first class from home to clientco every day and it's still cheaper than the diesel i'd have to fill my golf up with. And that's ignoring depreciation/maintenance/etc

This means roads are likely to be quieter but trains will be more busy - rush-hour traffic will always remain bad as whenever there is space somebody will be there to come and fill it since we don't have the 8 line highways they have in the US of A

I did mention in the OP that rush-hour traffic was also up.

This is on a cross-country route between Dunstable and, er, Wycombe I suppose.

[Freamon]

IT? What the fook is that?

I reckon that the unemployment rates for the Computer Science or Computer Systems Engineering or similar cohorts at UCL, Kings, Oxbridge or indeed the better redbricks will be pretty low.

On the other hamd if you have a "degree" in say "IT and business" or similar (and these will probably consititute the bulk of "IT" degrees) from Wolverhampton Poly, East London Poly or similar you might as well give up.

One place I was at many years ago seemed to have employed their entire graduate intake from people who had done "Multimedia Computing" at University of Northumbria.

[TimberWolf]

IT? What the fook is that?

I reckon that the unemployment rates for the Computer Science or Computer Systems Engineering or similar cohorts at UCL, Kings, Oxbridge or indeed the better redbricks will be pretty low.

On the other hamd if you have a "degree" in say "IT and business" or similar (and these will probably consititute the bulk of "IT" degrees) from Wolverhampton Poly, East London Poly or similar you might as well give up.

I haven't looked at the raw data to drill down to employment prospects per study area per university. But given that Cambridge is 13th in a list sorted by employment prospects per university (click on the table heading given in my link to sort) for all subjects, there's nothing to suggest what you say is correct.

[sasguru]

Yes. Worst than medya studies, creative arts, the lot. I forget who publishes the statistics but I used to see them most years and IT graduates had the worst employment prospects of the lot, year after year. Labour all but destroyed IT in the UK.

Here's a dumbed down (i.e. the journalist has already done the leg work) of my first Google hit. I think I used to see them in Computing magazine.


And their source: HESA - Higher Education Statistics Agency - PIs 2008/09: Employment of graduates

IT? What the fook is that?

I reckon that the unemployment rates for the Computer Science or Computer Systems Engineering or similar cohorts at UCL, Kings, Oxbridge or indeed the better redbricks will be pretty low.

On the other hamd if you have a "degree" in say "IT and business" or similar (and these will probably consititute the bulk of "IT" degrees) from Wolverhampton Poly, East London Poly or similar you might as well give up.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Rush-hour traffic and crowded trains on my commute suggest more people in work than any time in the past three years.

My back-up measure of pub and restaurant usage supports this.

So is it mainly those in low-paid, non-commuting work who can't get jobs?

There is a very simple explanation for this:

People are now training it instead of using cars. Due to petrol prices and mileage costs it is now much cheaper. I travel first class from home to clientco every day and it's still cheaper than the diesel i'd have to fill my golf up with. And that's ignoring depreciation/maintenance/etc

This means roads are likely to be quieter but trains will be more busy - rush-hour traffic will always remain bad as whenever there is space somebody will be there to come and fill it since we don't have the 8 line highways they have in the US of A

[TimberWolf]

I will peruse tomorrow.

At a recent gig there was a graduate there. 1st job. £18k. Not happy.

My mates are on 25k, 30k it's so unfair. As it happens gig was a simple Crystal role. My rate 450 per day
and they were asking me to real basic stuff. So
I told the client I'd train the grad. I told the grad to
go and read a training manual and sit with me for a day.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if I learn it I want 25k.

Did he read it? No. Did he spend time with me? No. Even with a few days to go I offered. Did he take it? Course not.

University grads need to get real. They still have to
work hard after uni to get it.

Perhaps he knows his days are numbered until Bob either takes his job or drives his wages further below those of his university chums and realises it's not a career.

[MarillionFan]

An awful lot of those unemployed are IT graduates - the worst degree subject to study at university as far as employment prospects go, bar none. For about 10 years running.

I will peruse tomorrow.

At a recent gig there was a graduate there. 1st job. £18k. Not happy.

My mates are on 25k, 30k it's so unfair. As it happens gig was a simple Crystal role. My rate 450 per day
and they were asking me to real basic stuff. So
I told the client I'd train the grad. I told the grad to
go and read a training manual and sit with me for a day.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if I learn it I want 25k.

Did he read it? No. Did he spend time with me? No. Even with a few days to go I offered. Did he take it? Course not.

University grads need to get real. They still have to
work hard after uni to get it.

[TimberWolf]

Timber. That's a subjective comment.

You need to back that up. IT is worse tha
Geography or Social Science is it?

Yes. Worst than medya studies, creative arts, the lot. I forget who publishes the statistics but I used to see them most years and IT graduates had the worst employment prospects of the lot, year after year. Labour all but destroyed IT in the UK.

Here's a dumbed down (i.e. the journalist has already done the leg work) of my first Google hit. I think I used to see them in Computing magazine.

The Higher Education Statistics Authority has published employment rates today by each university across the country - and by each subject. It makes gloomy reading for those studying computer science and IT - they have the lowest employment rate for any area of study (see the data below).

And their source: http://www.hesa.ac.uk/index.php?opti...702&Itemid=141

[stek]

Wot you been drinking?

Four tins of Tennetts Super and a bottle of Bucky...

I love Scotland, and I'm English!

Tennetts is sublime but the Bucky is definitely an acquired taste, tastes like wine with soap...

[MarillionFan]

An awful lot of those unemployed are IT graduates - the worst degree subject to study at university as far as employment prospects go, bar none. For about 10 years running.

Timber. That's a subjective comment.

You need to back that up. IT is worse tha
Geography or Social Science is it?

[Wodewick]

Semillion Chardonay and watching Question time.

Gotta hand it to you - You really know how to live!