Reply to: Who Gets the Best Jobs?

[Platypus]

No. It's a serious look at what barriers, real or percieved, are getting int the way of social mobility. It presents various points of view, and various ways in which it seems that the professions are becoming less and less accessible to people from backgrounds other than middle or upper class. I certainly found it thought provoking.

Yes, but I found it poorly argued and ultimately not very convincing.

I was very disappointed that the journo stuck to his prejudices, despite disproving his own case by showing the footage of those comprehensive kids getting work experience in top banks.

He frequently used phrases along the lines of the 'dis-advantaged' (non-public school educated) versus the rich (public school educated) kids with all their unfair advantages.

I was amused that he rejected the 'gene pool' argument because he found it repugnant, without considering that it might be true: intelligent middle class folks choose similar as their partners, and hey presto, their offspring are of good intelligence and get better jobs.

And of course the less well off are not in the know about good jobs, not because they can't be bothered to find out, but because no one gives them the help they need.

Summary: worth watching, gives a good understanding of the entrenched views that well-off well-educated people are unfairly advantaged.

[sasguru]

Yes, Alan Milburn, and he expressed concern that what he had done was becoming more and more difficult for people from his background.

Which is ironic since Labour closed the grammar schools, probably the biggest enabler of social mobility there was.

The second biggest enabler was free tuition fees for university for the best A-level candidates, another enabler that has been removed, by the Tories this time.

I'm far from being a lefty, quite the opposite, but as a one-nation Tory, I would be for grammar schools and free tuition fees for candidates with very good A-level results.
That way you work hard but if you do you have an exit route from poverty.

[minestrone]

Yes, Alan Milburn, and he expressed concern that what he had done was becoming more and more difficult for people from his background.

Someone that does not gain capital on his view point?

I just watched the passage where they pretty much said nobody from a poor background will not get into medical school.

The GF went to the school this was filmed in...

But then you regale us with your tales of stealing cars on Bolivars and Boli yet turn out a test manager. Social mobility it seems.

[Mich the Tester]

Did at any point they ask someone who came from a piss poor background who said "you know, I came from filth but I studied, got my education went on to greater things" prove this myth that there is no social mobilty?

Yes, Alan Milburn, and he expressed concern that what he had done was becoming more and more difficult for people from his background.

[minestrone]

Did at any point they ask someone who came from a piss poor background who said "you know, I came from filth but I studied, got my education went on to greater things" prove this myth that there is no social mobilty?

[minestrone]

Waching it again as I missed the first ten minutes.

"Oh Lawyers, CEOs and Doctors earn tulip loads"

Then they go and interview 10 people in the fashion industry.



Straight to the heart of the matter there.

[darmstadt]

He also doesn't have any 1960's DVD's to watch.

Didn't know they had DVDs in the 60's

[sasguru]

Did someone help you with that quip? It was above your usual feckless and uninteresting standards.

Wasn't a quip.
HTH.

[suityou01]

Or it could be because you have provided ample evidence of not be being the sharpest tool in the box.

Did someone help you with that quip? It was above your usual feckless and uninteresting standards.

[minestrone]

No. It's a serious look at what barriers, real or percieved, are getting int the way of social mobility. It presents various points of view, and various ways in which it seems that the professions are becoming less and less accessible to people from backgrounds other than middle or upper class. I certainly found it thought provoking.

It is the inverted snobbery that has become rampant in this country over the last few years manifesting itself. I know about 20 people that have been through a medical degree and I would say about 4 of those are from 'privileged backgrounds'. 2 of them are from the most deprived area in western Europe if you believe the stats.

People fail in this country because they are expected not to succeed. Did you see the family that just decided that university was not for their child when he was about 7 or 8?

[sasguru]

I assume this low grade taunt is because you were tired and covered in alchy vomit.

Or it could be because you have provided ample evidence of not be being the sharpest tool in the box.

[suityou01]

Su

I'm sorry but you are clearly a mental midget moron who sobs over failed jobs.

I assume this low grade taunt is because you were tired and covered in alchy vomit.

[minestrone]

Might watch it if it's on iPlayer - or is it just a bunch of daily mail readers blaming society for their life decisions?

Pretty much I would have said.

[Jog On]

No. It's a serious look at what barriers, real or percieved, are getting int the way of social mobility. It presents various points of view, and various ways in which it seems that the professions are becoming less and less accessible to people from backgrounds other than middle or upper class. I certainly found it thought provoking.

In that case I can give it a whirl!

[Mich the Tester]

Might watch it if it's on iPlayer - or is it just a bunch of daily mail readers blaming society for their life decisions?

No. It's a serious look at what barriers, real or percieved, are getting int the way of social mobility. It presents various points of view, and various ways in which it seems that the professions are becoming less and less accessible to people from backgrounds other than middle or upper class. I certainly found it thought provoking.