Benitez

[FiveTimes]

Well he's in Merseyside for Christmas, has he still got a gaff there?

his daughter has re-enrolled for the next term also

[gingerjedi]

Well he's in Merseyside for Christmas, has he still got a gaff there?

[FiveTimes]

Exactly. And how did Liverpool's fortunes progress from when he took over Houllier's side to when he left his own team?

Houllier never challenged for the league - rafa did.
Houllier never took them to 2 CL finals - rafa did.

Both made bad signing.
Both won trophies.

I enjoyed 2001 when we won 3 trophies (I won't call it a treble as that upsets Man U fans) and we scored 127 goals in the process.

I also enjoyed beating Barca 2-1 at their place in 2007.

2005 was what dreams are made of. coming back from 3-0 and winning on pens was not luck, neither was Man U's in '99 when they needed to score 2 in the last minute.

Houllier made SG 80% of the player he is, Rafa took him to another level.

Both should be respected for what they achieved

[Doggy Styles]

from when he took over to when he left there were only two players who he inherited (carra and gerrard), the rest were his buys

Exactly. And how did Liverpool's fortunes progress from when he took over Houllier's side to when he left his own team?

[filthy1980]

That treble was a fine achievement actually, but it was under Houllier in 2001.

Otherwise I'd more or less agree with all that. In his five years (or was it six I can't remember) he bought 80 players.

that figure includes the best part of 40-50 youth players (the LFC youth system needed a mass overhaul and rafa started to put this into place), ask yourself when player aquisitions for wenger, fergie, any chealsea / spurs manager are mentioned do they include the youth figure totals?

of the 1st team players he bought during his tenure the net spend was around £90m

from when he took over to when he left there were only two players who he inherited (carra and gerrard), the rest were his buys

so over 5 season he spent £90m on a whole new squad of players

so thats around £16m a season to build a championship winning squad,(i could dig out the real figures which are think are acutally lower then this) you tell me who could build a winning side on that budget? considering he had to sell the likes of bellamy and garcia to fund the purchase of torres

no-one is saying he didn't make bad signing (if a top manager has a 50% success rate he doing well) but the constant quoting of "he had £250m to spend" "he bought so many players" is media agenda driven bollox, which the ignorant masses lap up becuase they're too lazy to think for themselves

[FiveTimes]

you can't judge him on the number of players bought. He was forced into buying cheap players and trying to turn over a profit. Which he did quite well on most players.
He made some very good buys and a fair few stinkers.

I don't believe that the CL triumph on 2005 was down to GH. Rafa masterminded some great wins to get to the final. Plus he also got us to the final in 2007

[Doggy Styles]

As a Man U supporter there is nothing I'd like to see more than the fat waiter back at Anfield, but he's not a good manager. He spent a load of money and won very little. He gifted the EPL to us when Liverpool were running away with i6t in his second to last season. His CL win was done with Houlliers (spelling!) team, a team he then went on to make worse. OK he won the plastic treble.

That treble was a fine achievement actually, but it was under Houllier in 2001.

Otherwise I'd more or less agree with all that. In his five years (or was it six I can't remember) he bought 80 players.

[filthy1980]

As a Man U supporter there is nothing I'd like to see more than the fat waiter back at Anfield, but he's not a good manager. He spent a load of money and won very little. He gifted the EPL to us when Liverpool were running away with i6t in his second to last season. His CL win was done with Houlliers (spelling!) team, a team he then went on to make worse. OK he won the plastic treble.

let me guess you tune into SSN on a daily basis and read the sun (or another insightful red top)

even the achievements you're crediting him with are wrong

you don't deserve to be put right

[Doggy Styles]

Hasn't been sacked (yet).

However perfect situation would be Rafa sacked, Capello gets Inter job, Hodgson gets England job.

Rafa is a good manager, he had issues with GG/TH and that was part of the reason for leaving. They have now gone so who knows.

His last season @ liverpool was tarnished, but if he returned then it might help Torres/Reina etc..

Be careful what you wish for.

• Rafa is busily weaving his magic at Inter.
• Hodgson is a journeyman manager who might get Liverpool back into the top six but he's no genius.
• Nobody will succeed as England manager, so there's no point in changing yet again.

[BoredBloke]

Hasn't been sacked (yet).

However perfect situation would be Rafa sacked, Capello gets Inter job, Hodgson gets England job.

Rafa is a good manager, he had issues with GG/TH and that was part of the reason for leaving. They have now gone so who knows.

His last season @ liverpool was tarnished, but if he returned then it might help Torres/Reina etc..

As a Man U supporter there is nothing I'd like to see more than the fat waiter back at Anfield, but he's not a good manager. He spent a load of money and won very little. He gifted the EPL to us when Liverpool were running away with i6t in his second to last season. His CL win was done with Houlliers (spelling!) team, a team he then went on to make worse. OK he won the plastic treble.

[filthy1980]

Hasn't been sacked (yet).

However perfect situation would be Rafa sacked, Capello gets Inter job, Hodgson gets England job.

Rafa is a good manager, he had issues with GG/TH and that was part of the reason for leaving. They have now gone so who knows.

His last season @ liverpool was tarnished, but if he returned then it might help Torres/Reina etc..

agreed


you may want to add purslow into the equation for last season, and certain local players whispering in his ear

but like you said we have new owners now and think that rafa and NESV and a pretty similar philosophy and would be a good fit . . . can't see it happening though i'm afraid (

[FiveTimes]

Hasn't been sacked (yet).

However perfect situation would be Rafa sacked, Capello gets Inter job, Hodgson gets England job.

Rafa is a good manager, he had issues with GG/TH and that was part of the reason for leaving. They have now gone so who knows.

His last season @ liverpool was tarnished, but if he returned then it might help Torres/Reina etc..

[filthy1980]

class man class manager


come home rafa . . . . come home

[AtW]