Reply to: Certification Advice?

[serverlad]

us marines?wtf? thank them feck all......

guess ill get to work on getting certs on my own time.

ya eejits

but hey insight is better than none.

[DodgyAgent]

Excepting ex-civil service mandarins and front-bench politicians, obviously.

Fair point

[bogeyman]

There is another law which is city institutions will not recruit people from the public sector

Excepting ex-civil service mandarins and front-bench politicians, obviously.

[DodgyAgent]

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Having a certification is one of those things you can't fake.

Like a male orgasm

[DodgyAgent]

[QUOTE=Jabberwocky]The Jabber basic law of recruitment is that people recruit people just like themselves, only younger and a bit thicker. QUOTE]

SausageJockey, Looks like you will always have a job in the public sector

There is another law which is city institutions will not recruit people from the public sector

[DodgyAgent]

Thanks in advance

Ryan

Did you thank those US Marines for finding you?

[Jabberwocky]

Public sector work ? That's the last refuge of a capitalist failure. Hell no, I want to be part of Dodgy's empire - I want to be the guy who does the hanging, drawing and quartering. If only they hadn't outlawed gibbeting.

[AlfredJPruffock]

The Jabber basic law of recruitment is that people recruit people just like themselves, only younger and a bit thicker. This applies to contractors as well as perms. I distinctly remember one interview I had where a pair of contractors rubbished another candidate of 20 years experience who I personally knew was a top banana.

Very astute observations there JW, and how very true.

May I interest you in a possible appointment as Minister of Employment within the forthcoming Pruffock(c) adminstration ?

[DieScum]

If you are unemployed, with time on your hands, I would be nailing every cert under the sun. The question of certification versus experience isn't useful here. Obviously experience is better but that isn't an option open to you.

Don't mess about with training courses in India. You don't need them. Get the books, book the exam, study and practice and it will work out at 150 a pop.

Having a certification is one of those things you can't fake. You can bulltulip a lot at interviews but having hard, concrete evidence that you have actually done something will put you ahead... not of the people who have real experience... but you probably won't be going near those roles anyway. Yet.

[Jabberwocky]

Ooo goody more fresh meat for the Jabber sword.

I am not sure companies really value commercial experience over qualifications - what they value is competitive advantage - either personal ie the recruiter or the company. That may come from experience or it may come from doing as you're told. Take ageism - if experience was really so important all IT depts would be staffed by over 50s - they have oodles of experience and many just want a job and would fit in. No, the recruiters prefer young 25 year olds for most cannon fodder roles because they do as they are told, even if its the wrong thing to do and even if they don't know how to do them. As for qualifications employers use them as a differentiator - they don't really care what you know - only that you are in the top 10%. If everyone has qualifications then they are worthless and employers just test people. Also if you are better qualified than the recruiter it is a no go.

The Jabber basic law of recruitment is that people recruit people just like themselves, only younger and a bit thicker. This applies to contractors as well as perms. I distinctly remember one interview I had where a pair of contractors rubbished another candidate of 20 years experience who I personally knew was a top banana.

Maybe I should go into recruitment - if Dodgy can do it, any old dog terd can.

[Mordac]

Never heard of capitals at the start of sentences? If you want to fool people into believing you're a Professional, you need to start by learning the basics of English. And not calling people c**ts. Now. f**k *ff while your legs still work properly.

[serverlad]

yer bit of a c**t arnt ye mordac i reckon my grammar is spot on there heh

but i take your point on the commerical experience, might aim a little lower on the wage side of things. and get a contract without certification requirements with the job having modest exposure.

small moves eh.

[Mordac]

You might also wish to consider a basic English grammar course. They speak English in India, so your dosh won't be completely wasted...

[Mordac]

>Go to india (cheep)on a boot camp for 2 or 3 months for MCSE 2003 ccna ccnp cover 3 or 4 certifications. return to uk to secure a contract job where ever in the world.

Not a chance. Unless you are happy to charge Indian rates. All those certs might get you the interview, but the lack of relevant experience will cost you the gig.

[serverlad]

hey what you saying makes sense to me. i realise that qualifications are paper but what about the actual skills, i fi dont have the training how am i going to know it properly and then how am i going to apply for a job with that specific skill such as unix Cisco and such an such, even if i do get a job based on my qualifications and experience so far which may not require me to use thier equipment due to some managed service reasons etc, how can I gaurantee the skills i want for the next job which leads me to think to do the training now. kinda difficult becuase in the last permie job they wouldnt let me expand my skills and get involved in develoments (cos they were selfish) i dont actually care if i get a name, just want the skills and the means to prove it.
but cheers for your responses....
might save money not doing certifications but also mite miss out on jobs and a lot of time..is this right?