Reply to: IPCC report on Menezes shooting sent to CPS

[AtW]

It's not right and/or in the public interest that the CPS exists at all

And who in your view should act for the prosecution side? Judge? Jury? Someone has to fill the boots - Justice Dept, Prosecutors or CPS - names may be different but role is the same.

[OwlHoot]

Is it right and/or in the public interest that the CPS decides on the basis of this muted threat ?

It's not right and/or in the public interest that the CPS exists at all - It was only brought in by Edward Heath as a sneaky first step towards abolishing juries and (longer term) converting English law to be consistent with the Napoleonic code!

[Daywalker]

I believe they were made during the news conference.

It was a shambles, the cop that was to start the tail as he left his flat was having a piss down an alleyway and had his back to him, so couldn't have been in the best situation to make the identification.

Apparently he was wearing a large overcoat and had something concealed, he wasn't.

Apparently he ran when challenged, he didn't.

Oh and it wasn't the right person, big issue!

[Mailman]

Yes but where was the threat, the cops on the ground have to make a decision, all be it in a split second, about the threat?

The amount of bulls*it coming from Ian Blair in relation to him running away after being challenged is rubbish, a distinct cover up!

Can you find me the quote that IB supposedly made?

All I can find are extracts from news reports but none actually being made by Ian (unless you count the "this is what we have been told"). However, Im quite prepared to believe that he could have made these quotes BUT these quotes must be kept in the context that they were made in, and that would have been one of uncertainty and misunderstanding.

After this is all closed down Im actually hoping they run an investigation in how so much information could have been leaked from the IPCC over this event.

Secondly, I wonder how many millions this geezers family in Brazil will get in compensation and how quickly it will be paid out?

Mailman

[Daywalker]

The guys on the train had been told the target was a threat. They had been told to do what they did if the target got on the train. The guys on the train did what they did because they belived the target was a risk to the public.....The information they were given was wrong...hindsight is wonderfull,
but please prosecute the idiots that identified this innocent man as a target in the first place!

Yes but where was the threat, the cops on the ground have to make a decision, all be it in a split second, about the threat?

The amount of bulls*it coming from Ian Blair in relation to him running away after being challenged is rubbish, a distinct cover up!

[Mailman]

Enter red-neck stage left.

What's wrong Mailman? Wouldn't they give you a gun?

No, its the fact they gave me three guns!

Mailman

[Gibbon]

The guys on the train had been told the target was a threat. They had been told to do what they did if the target got on the train. The guys on the train did what they did because they belived the target was a risk to the public.....The information they were given was wrong...hindsight is wonderfull,
but please prosecute the idiots that identified this innocent man as a target in the first place!

Absolutely!

[Phoenix]

The guys on the train had been told the target was a threat. They had been told to do what they did if the target got on the train. The guys on the train did what they did because they belived the target was a risk to the public.....The information they were given was wrong...hindsight is wonderfull,
but please prosecute the idiots that identified this innocent man as a target in the first place!

[Daywalker]

They shot someone in the head seven times.

They got all their facts wrong, where exactly was the imminent threat?

They deserve to go down.

[Churchill]

The guys who were in the train shouldnt be prosecuted (they were doing their job in what was an extremely stressful situation).

And I dont believe anyone should be prosecuted in the name of public interest...heck...people should only be prosecuted because they deserve to be, not because it would look good to the public!

Mailman

Enter red-neck stage left.

What's wrong Mailman? Wouldn't they give you a gun?

[Mailman]

The guys who were in the train shouldnt be prosecuted (they were doing their job in what was an extremely stressful situation).

And I dont believe anyone should be prosecuted in the name of public interest...heck...people should only be prosecuted because they deserve to be, not because it would look good to the public!

Mailman

[AtW]

Is it right and/or in the public interest that the CPS decides on the basis of this muted threat ?

Decision of CPS does not depend on any threats of strikes or anything - they have to make decision to prosecute or not based on law, referring results of investigation to CPS make sense since its the CPS who ultimately decide if there are good chances of success in court.

[threaded]

Diverting to this father4justice things: should not a file also go if they threaten to shoot someone?

[zathras]

Tony Blair won't even be mentioned in the report or any of its repercussions.

That would be Sir Ian Blair. They can use the Public Interest excuse for not charging anybody and if I was a betting person I'd put money on it.

[Churchill]

Tony Blair won't even be mentioned in the report or any of its repercussions.