Reply to: Plan B - get a very senior permanent role with all the benefits - why not?

[original PM]

Excellent news!

Higher earners

Someone's got to pay off the Labour debt.

Was that article for real?

Read like something of the daily mash....

[DimPrawn]

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I'm talking Senior role as in Senior in the business and the six figures that goes with it.

HTH

Excellent news!

Higher earners

Someone's got to pay off the Labour debt.

[Shimano105]

Ah well, just been offered another 3 monther and turned down one in the smoke!

http://forums.contractoruk.com/busin...ml#post1131627

I think it is more a case of having a skillset that is currently marketable rather than anything else, permanent or otherwise.

And you are the one that can dictate that one!

Crack open the Asti!

[Mich the Tester]

Who're you trying to persuade?
Mortgage is paid off, zero debts obviously.
I've been here nearly 5 years now - getting my pension contributed to, taking home more than most contractors (yes really), sitting in my own office doing a little light strategising.
Boredom is the only risk factor, but when you get to this level you just swap into another high-level, high paying role.
Simples.

Not trying to persuade anyone at all. I have no general prescription for the happiness of others. If you’re happy in your permie job then best of luck to you. I just don’t think it’s something for me.

To be fair to you though, I think you’ve seen through the mythology that surrounds ‘hard work’. Contrary to conventional wisdom, hard work never got anybody anywhere. Well, OK, it dug a few canals and shifted some rocks up a hill, but it didn’t build the wealth of modern Europe. The ability to motivate others to do useful work and the ability to occasionally do something very clever are much more important. Unfortunately I see lots of corporate managers acting ‘busy’ all the time. They aren’t busy; they’re sitting behind their screens twattering half of the time and then sitting in meetings prattling the rest of the time. If they just spent a few minutes every day talking informally with the people ‘on the floor’ they’d be so much more effective, whether they’re permies or contractors.

[original PM]

Dare I say this - I agree with SAS.

I was managed out of my previous job based on the fact i was not willing to kiss azz and was not my managers friend boo hoo!

during the managng out process I had a good look at what I had and thought this ain't worth fighting for.

3 weeks later I was back in a PM role in a much larger company contratced with them for about 2 years and then took a permie role.

Not kissing ass but climbing the pole quite nicely.

It's not such politics is more not belittling the MD cos he does not have an indepth knowledge of technology X.

[sasguru]

I think that a well thought out plan b and a healthy savings account is a much better assurance of future income than a permie job. Permie jobs are effectively three month rolling contracts. If the quarterly figures are 0.1% below ‘analyst expectations’ there’s a mad panic as the directors announce job cuts.

Who're you trying to persuade?
Mortgage is paid off, zero debts obviously.
I've been here nearly 5 years now - getting my pension contributed to, taking home more than most contractors (yes really), sitting in my own office doing a little light strategising.
Boredom is the only risk factor, but when you get to this level you just swap into another high-level, high paying role.
Simples.

[Mich the Tester]

I see this again and again on here. For the odd few, there will be the occasional prospect of a highly paid, senior permie role, for the vast majority, you will be shocked and dismayed by your actual perm prospects. Everyone seems to think it is there as a safety net you can always tap into if contracts aren't coming along, it isn't, when you start looking for that safe harbour, guess what - everyone else is too and the perms are clinging on like grim death AND if your CV looks like mine it screams contractor/will jump ship when the market turns !

I think that a well thought out plan b and a healthy savings account is a much better assurance of future income than a permie job. Permie jobs are effectively three month rolling contracts. If the quarterly figures are 0.1% below ‘analyst expectations’ there’s a mad panic as the directors announce job cuts.

[sasguru]

I don’t have children. I don’t have an expensive divorce to pay off. I don’t have a big mortgage and don’t need a big house. Therefore I don’t need the ‘job security’ so desired by permies.

I certainly don’t want to spend my days selecting which arses to lick and then calculating the precise moment for the insertion of my tongue.

So many misconceptions. I guess some of you are just born to be juniors.

You don't need to lick arse any more than you do as a contractor (my rep is based on plain speaking as I genuinely don't give a sh!t about losing any job) but the difference is quite a few toadying subordinates want to lick yours.
Getting the "help" to do the work is quite satisfying, so I can entertain you guys on here with my witty posts.

[lukemg]

I see this again and again on here. For the odd few, there will be the occasional prospect of a highly paid, senior permie role, for the vast majority, you will be shocked and dismayed by your actual perm prospects. Everyone seems to think it is there as a safety net you can always tap into if contracts aren't coming along, it isn't, when you start looking for that safe harbour, guess what - everyone else is too and the perms are clinging on like grim death AND if your CV looks like mine it screams contractor/will jump ship when the market turns !

[Mich the Tester]

I don’t have children. I don’t have an expensive divorce to pay off. I don’t have a big mortgage and don’t need a big house. Therefore I don’t need the ‘job security’ so desired by permies.

I certainly don’t want to spend my days selecting which arses to lick and then calculating the precise moment for the insertion of my tongue.

[Shimano105]

You forgot to put 'cretin' on there. 2/10.

[sasguru]

Shame where they put the decmial point though wasn't it?

I think you're answering the question posed by the thread.
If everyone is like you, it is probably personal limitations and lack of talent that stops people moving up the ladder.

[Shimano105]

Shame where they put the decmial point though wasn't it?

[sasguru]

Senior permie roles are just permie roles with the word 'senior' in the title.

This is done to persuade hapless feckwits like yourself into taking a low-paid job just so that they can brag to their 1 dimensional winker mates that they are a 'senior' cock-jockey.

I'll stick with the cash alternative thankyou.

Your imagination cannot conceive that you may be more than a "Senior Techie". That is probably correct in your case.
I'm talking Senior role as in Senior in the business and the six figures that goes with it.

HTH

[Mich the Tester]

You’ll be the guy at the front of the chain gang with the tremendous privilege of only being chained to the guy behind you, but not chained to the guy in front.