Nannying?

[bfg]

Spin Spin Spin Spin, Spin luvverly spin, wonderful Spin

Does anyone really think that this law will ever, even once, be used against an agressive little thug terrorising the populace randomly?

No folks, it will be used by the "Ersatz Polizei" to make YOU eighty quid poorer when you come out of the pub and shout too loudly for a taxi or some other so-called "anti-social behaviour" like "smelling of foreign food" after a late-night curry. Meanwhile the drunken chavs smashing shop windows along the street will be left to their own devices.

[DimPrawn]

Phoney Bliar was in Swindon today taking on the Chavs in the rough end of town.

Some of the these Chav Swindon "ladies" were on TV. **** me they were rough.

No amount of training or rehab is going to change these people.

[Fungus]

Yes. There is a real problem here and as said above, you can't change ingrained cultural attitudes overnight, or even over 3 months. Aggressive ill behaved scummy types have been a problem for more than just the last few years. When I was at school, I spent some time doing some remedial teaching. The two girls (aged about 15) spent the 'lesson' screaming and swearing. It was pointless. These scummy types get pregnant at 16, drop a clutch of sprogs, and by age 35 find themselves living in a council house with a horde of ill behaved children terrorising the neighbours. So what do we do? Spend a fortune re-educating them? In which case why can't well behaved people get special one to one teaching too?

Did those boot camps the Tories used to be on about ever do any good?

As said above, the problem with Blair's idea is that it sounds great when you first hear it. But then when you think about it ... you see the holes. In fact the more I know about Blair, the more I think he is a first rate salesman and tactition, but beneath it all he's really a bit thick.

I'm sure some of those wagons the Nazis used to exterminate the feeble minded must be lying around ...

Fungus

[wendigo100]

Hmm. I don't think you'll get many arguments there Denny. But the issue is how Blair implements it.

If New Labour's track record on new legislation is anything to go be, it will be an incompetent mess, with uncertainty, ineffectuality, and a plethora of unintended consequences. Only this time, it can affect anyone, in their home, on the street, or anywhere else.

And that's only if Blair gets as far as trying to implement it. All his other "respect"-oriented schemes were shouted from the roof-tops for effect, to "make Tony look good", then quietly dropped when it was discovered they were unworkable.

[Denny]

Cleaning up our act

I welcome this intervention. There's nothing worse than men spitting in the street, litter louts tossing tins and rubbish in the street or out of car windows, noisy neighbours blaring out rock music through thin walls late at night, intimidating drunks rolling out of pubs etc.

A bit of consideration for others is vital for a workable society. No one should have the right to behave as though they're the only person in the world with that ominous 'I'll do what I want and don't give a damn about anyone else' mentality of old.

This is one thing (the only thing) that Blair has got right - good luck to him and to the rest of us.

[John Galt]

Conscription for the terminally stupid aged over 16.

Off to 3rd world countries to sort out any tulip that's going down, thus removing the Chavs from the gene pool.

Excellent plan Dim although I wouldn't have added the 'over 16' bit

[DimPrawn]

Conscription for the terminally stupid aged over 16.

Off to 3rd world countries to sort out any tulip that's going down, thus removing the Chavs from the gene pool.

[Lucifer Box]

What would you do?

My partners mother is a deputy head teacher, she has had her nose broken by a 10 year old child, the children swear, smash, bully, steal and what do the parents do? Come in to complain about the harsh treatment.

People used to be able to bring children up, communities used to police themselves, nowadays nobody gives a fook.

I think my point is not that out of control children are desirable but that attempts to change a culture once it is embedded are doomed to failure unless you are prepared to deploy Chairman Mao style measures, i.e. kill non-conformers.

As I don't think this is what is being proposed I think this will turn out to be a programme that spends a great deal of taxpayers' money but achieves nothing.

[Bagpuss]

Hang on a minute, didn't Chairman Mao say something like that?

What would you do?

My partners mother is a deputy head teacher, she has had her nose broken by a 10 year old child, the children swear, smash, bully, steal and what do the parents do? Come in to complain about the harsh treatment.

People used to be able to bring children up, communities used to police themselves, nowadays nobody gives a fook.

[Lucifer Box]

Home Secretary Charles Clarke said there would be an "explicit focus on changing the culture of society".

Hang on a minute, didn't Chairman Mao say something like that?

[PerlOfWisdom]

I'll bet that none of the parenting teachers have their own kids.

[Lucifer Box]

And what happens to families evicted from their own homes for three months? No doubt the local council will be required to put them up somewhere else at great expense to the taxpayer.

Still, that's joined up government for you.

[Bagpuss]

Clearly it is.

[DimPrawn]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4595788.stm

People could be evicted from their own homes for three months if they are nuisance neighbours, under a new action plan for Tony Blair's "respect agenda".
The plan would also allow the public to grill police about anti-social behaviour and demand tougher action.

And there will be more use of parenting orders and classes for parents.

The prime minister denied the plans were a "gimmick" and said they would help "take back the streets for the law-abiding majority.

Home Secretary Charles Clarke said there would be an "explicit focus on changing the culture of society".

Among other measures in the plan are:


More parenting courses, with more agencies able to impose parenting orders on those parents who refuse to take up help when their children are "out of control"

A "national parenting academy", to train social workers, clinical psychologists, community safety officers and youth justice workers about advising parents

Possible new fixed penalty notices and injunctions against anti-social behaviour.



FFS, is Britain so degenerate now that the governments job is now to "train" the public how to behave themselves?