Reply to: Lied on your CV?

[TykeMerc]

I claim on my CV I passed my P2 Practitioner in 2003. That is a correct claim.

Nowt wrong with that, it can be verified

The fact that unless you had passed it before it became renewable it will have expired by now is entirely by the by. I think mine expires this year, I'll have to check.

[moder8or]

I completed the reading of the entire course material)[/QUOTE]

thats the most you probably need to do with Prince2

Its the use of the principles of PM that counts

[Mich the Tester]

the single largest collection of economic & commercial parasites known to mankind.

Wot, you mean they sponsor the labour party?

[ratewhore]

Such an impressive 'sounding' name for the single largest collection of economic & commercial parasites known to mankind.

Fair one...

[SuperZ]

A bit extreme! You can say that again. Still, I think there's more to it than that. I know loads of people, well a few(!) who claim they are ISEB qualified when they are nothing of the sort.

One contractor I know has even altered his school's name to be ISEB such and such school in the hope of catching an agent or client unawares! I kid you not.

I know another contractor who said she just read a load of non ISEB bumf the night before the exam and passed. Possible I suppose but I know this person and there's no way she would have passed doing this.

I don't see a huge problem mentioning ISEB if they don't have the qualification, providing it's done in the right way (ie, 'Studied and completed Prince 2 course material' for example is different from 'Prince 2 certified'. Fast tracked course-to-exams are shoddy anyway . Passing such a qualification proves nothing, other than in 3 days you absorbed enough material to pass, but in x weeks time how much do you remember? Personally won't do any course now where everything is crammed into a short time period before you have to sit an exam at the end of it.

I wouldn't put anything down I haven't done, but if someone has gone through the ISEB or Prince 2 material there's nothing wrong with using creative wording in my opinion. I once was ill part way through a course but I completed the reading of the rest of the material in my own time but didn't take the option exam and yes I have it on my CV (not certified though, just noting that I completed the reading of the entire course material)

[BobTheCrate]

A recent survey by the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development showed that every year a quarter of employers withdraw job offers after discovering someone has lied or misrepresented their application.

The Institute warned job applicants that lying on a CV is a sackable and criminal offence.

The Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development ay ?
Oh give us a break ... pleeeeeeease.

Such an impressive 'sounding' name for the single largest collection of economic & commercial parasites known to mankind.

Apart from politicians they are the most prolific group of empty tin cans who claim to know everything but know nothing, contribute nothing and guarantee even less.

The economic prospects of commercial Britain would improve beyond our wildest dreams by shooting the lot of them.

[expat]

In other words, this method is like a man looking for a needle in a haystack choosing to make the haystack as large as possible to increase his chances. The probability of there being a needle in a haystack may increase with the size of the haystack, but the chance of finding it will probably go down.

Especially if (continuing the analogy) the next thing he does is arbitrarily restrict his search to a small section of the haystack, using criteria other than "contains a needle", on the grounds that it would be too big otherwise.

[Xenophon]

I claim on my CV I passed my P2 Practitioner in 2003. That is a correct claim.

WHS

[ratewhore]

At least with Prince2 the list is published so a claim can be checked.

I claim on my CV I passed my P2 Practitioner in 2003. That is a correct claim.

[Mich the Tester]

It looks to me like the standard agency-driven method of finding people: start with the job description if possible. Get far too many applicants. Add filters to reject some people. Repeat until number of people found = number required.

I.e. it's all part of a method that can be applied by people who don't know a memory leak from a wet patch (agents) and which presents the illusion of being logical, without actually having anything to do with finding good people.

Indeed it is an illusion of logic. If you’ve got too many applicants then you’ve advertised too broadly or in the wrong places. If you’re looking for a tester and you advertise on general contracting or employment sites you’ll find that suddenly everyone who is on the bench is a highly skilled and experienced tester. Or alternatively, a bulltulipter. Advertise somewhere that your target audience is found, like stickyminds.com and you’ll get people who really are testers.

In other words, this method is like a man looking for a needle in a haystack choosing to make the haystack as large as possible to increase his chances. The probability of there being a needle in a haystack may increase with the size of the haystack, but the chance of finding it will probably go down. A thirsty man in the desert sees water everywhere but can’t reach it; it’s a mirage and as he gets thirstier and his eyes and mind start to fail him he sees even more water but still can’t get to it.

Ergo, advertise a job too broadly with requirements that are too fine grained and you increase your chance of finding a liar.

[expat]

Yep. Still I don't understand why they're fussy about A level grades for this kind of job. One thing if they're hiring a junior trainee dogsbody but for project admins at 29 years old? Bloody silly.

It looks to me like the standard agency-driven method of finding people: start with the job description if possible. Get far too many applicants. Add filters to reject some people. Repeat until number of people found = number required.

I.e. it's all part of a method that can be applied by people who don't know a memory leak from a wet patch (agents) and which presents the illusion of being logical, without actually having anything to do with finding good people.

[Mich the Tester]

If you took them so long ago, why are they on your CV in the first place? If you are claiming to have some qualifications, then you should be prepared to prove that you have them. If you can't do so, then don't include them.

Simples.

As I read it, the job description asked for 2 grade B A levels, but I agree; I don't even put that stuff on my CV as I have more recent and relevant qualifications.

[The Wikir Man]

Yep. Still I don't understand why they're fussy about A level grades for this kind of job. One thing if they're hiring a junior trainee dogsbody but for project admins at 29 years old? Bloody silly.

If you took them so long ago, why are they on your CV in the first place? If you are claiming to have some qualifications, then you should be prepared to prove that you have them. If you can't do so, then don't include them.

Simples.

[Mich the Tester]

Well, if it's because you didn't opt out, then it's 'the law' which, presumably, has some kind of penalties if they don't obey it.

Yep. Still I don't understand why they're fussy about A level grades for this kind of job. One thing if they're hiring a junior trainee dogsbody but for project admins at 29 years old? Bloody silly.

[The Wikir Man]

Yes, I guess it's 'official policy', and official policy is holy, even at the cost of hiring numpties.

Well, if it's because you didn't opt out, then it's 'the law' which, presumably, has some kind of penalties if they don't obey it.