Permie job offer: question

[threaded]

Been here a while, punchy. Were you the tat importer with the bracknell emporium?

And thinking on that... Has that enormous pot thing blocking the doorway been sold or destroyed yet?

[shoes]

Been here a while, punchy. Were you the tat importer with the bracknell emporium?

[MarillionFan]

How quaint

Thanks shoes. Who are you again?

So many here today gone tomorrow posters on CUK.

[shoes]

still working on my longer term career plan

How quaint

[MarillionFan]

This has just happened to me. I was offered the job and then said I would love to join, but the salary wasnt higher enough.

I was told that was the deal as that was what finance had set the bar at. I asked the recruiter to have a chat with finance.

I was then asked to come back in and interview again(even though they offered me the role), but this time with finance. I basically pitched in saying that I was more experienced and hence could take a role with more responsibilities.

As this was true, it seems to have worked as we are still negotiating and they had indiciated to me that they would undertake a small re-org to change the role.

But this has taken a week longer than expected and so I am still applying elsewhere in case it falls through.

I'd love to work for this company but as I was dropping 35K a year to work for them on the original package I feel that I must negotiate or otherwise I'lll have to take a contract role.

BTW. Any contract role I am in for would be more than the perm role, but I like the company/technology and still working on my longer term career plan. A contract at the moment would be a step back.

[MPwannadecentincome]

Rule of thumb 10% otherwise FIFO

WOT?

Obviously its your market and your "reputation" and if you have exhausted your wriggle room then it should be a simple calculation.....

Is the cost to your reputation worth the 10%?

ie +10% to get a rep as "awkward"
or Walk away to get a rep as "...... well that could be a lot worse if you could be portrayed as having agreed and then letting them down......."

Good luck with the calculation.......

Well I'm better off on my crummy reduced daily rate than taking the offer made to me for a permie post so, ho hum - lost it, but I think reputation on both sides are intact - other interviews are on their way through other opportunities.

If I had been on the bench I guess my perspective would have been different.

[Drewster]

Hmmm thing is my industry is small, word gets around, even if I don't take this offer I am likely to come across these people again in other jobs or contracts.

Obviously its your market and your "reputation" and if you have exhausted your wriggle room then it should be a simple calculation.....

Is the cost to your reputation worth the 10%?

ie +10% to get a rep as "awkward"
or Walk away to get a rep as "...... well that could be a lot worse if you could be portrayed as having agreed and then letting them down......."

Good luck with the calculation.......

[MPwannadecentincome]

Tilt!!

but anyway.... 10% worth a punt at negotiation.... Shirley!

The 10% is where it has got to after 2 days of negotiation....

Would you be tied in to the permie employer though? If you obtained a contract at a better rate than the permie package, then give notice and walk. It all depends how much you need the income at the moment and if you see this as a safe port during the recession.

Hmmm thing is my industry is small, word gets around, even if I don't take this offer I am likely to come across these people again in other jobs or contracts.

[DodgyAgent]

Is there a polite way of concluding the negotiations for a decent salary package where the company is unable to offer enough to attract their favoured candidate (me) without them thinking 'F*** him he's a greedy b****** I hope we don't come across him again!'?

The company will just not go above a certain figure I think simply because they feel there is a recession on they should be able to get someone 'cheap'.

The industry I operate in is a small one, by leaving a bad feeling about this word could get around to other players in the industry which could affect possible future gigs.

Rule of thumb 10% otherwise FIFO

[Bright Spark]

just tell them your circumstances have changed and your not looking at
permie jobs now, make sometihing up like "I'm starting a new business
on the side", so in a years time you could go back and say well it didn't work
out that new business so I'm looking at permie jobs again. simples!

[BA to the Stars]

Would you be tied in to the permie employer though? If you obtained a contract at a better rate than the permie package, then give notice and walk. It all depends how much you need the income at the moment and if you see this as a safe port during the recession.

[Drewster]

Thanks for posting, this is pretty much what I will do if it comes to it. Total package is around 10% off what I would take to go permie, otherwise I might as well stay contracting. I'm not willing to go permie whilst they think they can get people cheap only to get 2% pay rises for the next 5 years.

Doing a contract is out of the question on this one I think, I had told them I would prefer a permie job to a contract in order to secure the job offer, I don't want them to think I was after a contract all along.

Cheers

Tilt!!

but anyway.... 10% worth a punt at negotiation.... Shirley!

[MPwannadecentincome]

I think the best way is to thank them for their time but say its not worth the risk of moving for that package. Ask them to keep in touch and say you will be keeping in touch.

How much more are you asking for than they will do? 25%?

Would you be as considered if it was a contract you were applying for?

Thanks for posting, this is pretty much what I will do if it comes to it. Total package is around 10% off what I would take to go permie, otherwise I might as well stay contracting. I'm not willing to go permie whilst they think they can get people cheap only to get 2% pay rises for the next 5 years.

Doing a contract is out of the question on this one I think, I had told them I would prefer a permie job to a contract in order to secure the job offer, I don't want them to think I was after a contract all along.

Cheers

[aussielong]

I think the best way is to thank them for their time but say its not worth the risk of moving for that package. Ask them to keep in touch and say you will be keeping in touch.

How much more are you asking for than they will do? 25%?

Would you be as considered if it was a contract you were applying for?

[MPwannadecentincome]

Is there a polite way of concluding the negotiations for a decent salary package where the company is unable to offer enough to attract their favoured candidate (me) without them thinking 'F*** him he's a greedy b****** I hope we don't come across him again!'?

The company will just not go above a certain figure I think simply because they feel there is a recession on they should be able to get someone 'cheap'.

The industry I operate in is a small one, by leaving a bad feeling about this word could get around to other players in the industry which could affect possible future gigs.