Reply to: A Victory for Common Sense

[EternalOptimist]

It seems to me that in this debate
AtW is the true supporter of the rule of Law
Alf is merely concerned with justice

[AtW]

Why are you so hung up about this particular case? It seems he was one individual out of many who the sceptics decided to make a scapegoat of, I'm surprised they want to run the risk of airing their dirty laundry in public.

I did not post this thread - I don't give a tulip if he is in jail or not, this does not affect me personally.

The reason I post in such threads as it's clear to me that majority of people on this board support him for wrong reasons.

[Cliphead]

Storm in a teacup, he should have been charged, tried and sentenced here and done his time (if indeed incarceration was appropriate).

Why are you so hung up about this particular case? It seems he was one individual out of many who the sceptics decided to make a scapegoat of, I'm surprised they want to run the risk of airing their dirty laundry in public.

The issue for me personally is as others have stated here is the extradition treaty weighted in favour of the sceptics and the apparent indifference by the government here when it comes to protecting their own citizens.

Maybe it's just hackers in general that get you so worked up? Spending more time hardening server security than writing useful code these days? (AtW)

[AtW]

FTFY

What money can you charge from that guy? He is skint and he only costs money in this litigation, the reason he is pursued is to provide some deterrent.

[RichardCranium]

Basically it's like a bank charging a trespasser the cost of installing an alarm system in the vault to prevent other trespassers

FTFY

[Not So Wise]

Well, just because he says he didn't does not mean it is actually the case. The way to establish it is to bring him to court where all evidence will be looked at.

The "costs" are for them to properly secure their systems and to make sure he did not do any "damage". If they had done this in the first place there would be no "costs"

Basically it's like charging a trespasser the cost of installing an alarm system to prevent other trespassers

ATW, you seem to be fixating of his guilt, where the rest of us seem to be fixating on the ramifications of the treaty it's self, mainly the fact that it denies people the rights they are entitled to (aka fair trail, presumption of innocence, evidence gathers legally) under the jurisdiction the live under before they can be extradited to another country

Let me put it this way, if the treaty was with Saudi or North Korea or even Russia and it was a simerlar offence would you be defending it? Somehow I doubt it

[AlfredJPruffock]

So did I - only I don't turn anti-american

If you are trynig to imply that I turned anti-american after Bush's disaster blunder in Iraq- then you are completely wrong - yet again.

[AtW]

Your views on why the Conservative Pary are supporting McKinnon are way off the mark - I do have an old friend who happens to be in a rather senior position in the Tory party - and its not for the reasons you mention.

Tory party is very large and consists of many factions, many with very conflicting interests.

Your comments as to myself being Anti-American meets with a similar rebuttal - its true I did criticise the Bush administration for their foreign policy disaster in Iraq - way before the conflict - time has proven that my view were correct in this matter.

So did I - only I don't turn anti-american and instead can see the right things they do without being afraid to critisise those that I think they do wrongly.

Since the Republicans were removed from power I have not made a single criticism of the US administration - you are confusing being anti-republican with being anti-American

I am not confusing anything - so far Obama's administration did not do bugger all, which maybe is a good thing, but let's give him a couple of years.

[AtW]

Oh well...........as long as it is no big deal, what are we waiting for?

You are missing the point - the deal with sys admins is internal matter for the companies affected, chances are those people were already fired and won't get another job.

This has nothing to do with this case - just because someone left door opened does not mean you can walk in and trawl around the house fishing for evidence.

[AlfredJPruffock]

I did not say Cons are anti-american, but I do detect plenty of anti-american feelings on this board from some of the posters - that includes yourself.

IMHO Cons are cynically supporting him because their mates in the City are concerned about some of them following the fate of Natwest 3.

Your views on why the Conservative Pary are supporting McKinnon are way off the mark - I do have an old friend who happens to be in a rather senior position in the Tory party - and the suppoert for McKinnon is not for the reasons you mention - Im sure Blair had plenty of friends in the City as well for that matter.

Your comments as to myself being Anti-American meets with a similar rebuttal - its true I did criticise the Bush administration for their foreign policy disaster in Iraq - way before the conflict - time has proven that my view were correct in this matter.

Since the Republicans were removed from power I have not made a single criticism of the US administration - you are confusing being anti-republican with being anti-American - the Bush administration was a disaster for the US at every level - the Obama administration has been working hard to repair the damage and restore the image of the US - good luck to them.

[shaunbhoy]

Look, the fact that firewalls were not secure only means that sys admins on their side will get fired or receive some serious bollocking.

Oh well...........as long as it is no big deal, what are we waiting for?

[AtW]

How much more cost would have been involved had the hacker been of a more malignant nature? AFAIK he simply found ways through their rather feeble firewalls etc. and left notes highlighting their security deficiencies.

Look, the fact that firewalls were not secure only means that sys admins on their side will get fired or receive some serious bollocking.

[AtW]

So the Conservatives are now Anti-American ?

I did not say Cons are anti-american, but I do detect plenty of anti-american feelings on this board from some of the posters - that includes yourself.

IMHO Cons are cynically supporting him because their mates in the City are concerned about some of them following the fate of Natwest 3.

[shaunbhoy]

He does not dispute the fact that he hacked into all those places - he disputes costs of clean up after his act

How much more cost would have been involved had the hacker been of a more malignant nature? AFAIK he simply found ways through their rather feeble firewalls etc. and left notes highlighting their security deficiencies. They ought to be paying him for his work rather than trying to bury him to hide their embarrassment.

he found nothing that would justify "public interest" angle, none - bugger all.

I, and many others, would say that the fact he was able to so routinely break into the systems of the richest and most powerful nation on the planet's computer networks, from thousands of miles away, is of HUGE public interest and concern.

[AlfredJPruffock]

It's crazy that a lot of people support him just because it is something "against USA" kind of thing - sure, America did a lot of wrong things, including Iraq war, however that does not mean *all* their actions are wrong. In this case USA is perfectly right.

So now you're resorting to Anti-American sentiment to shore up your argument ?

So the Conservatives are now Anti-American ?

Absurd.