Reply to: Have-a-go hero stabbed to death after chasing muggers who stole woman's bag

[shaunbhoy]

Now I advocate concealed firearms for specially licensed members of public (as well as police), that's not something that was the case in this country for some time (if ever), so that's certainly tought to argue point.

I think that YOU are the one that needs to be "specially licensed" AtW. You are a dangerous mix of stupidity and stubbornness. Were you and Sas separated at birth?

[EternalOptimist]

The stats that I linked to are pre-1997, ie - before current ban on firearms.

Consequently statistics support my view that guns were not the biggest issue at all and it makes sense to go (at least) to pre-Dunblane legislation.

Now I advocate concealed firearms for specially licensed members of public (as well as police), that's not something that was the case in this country for some time (if ever), so that's certainly tought to argue point.

Why not just buy a pen 1s extension AtW or get a Pitbull ?

this has nothing to do with safety or getting the bad guy , does it ?

[AtW]

Quite happy to help, because I believe if you got your way, that 1/3rd of knifings would turn into fatal shootings.

The stats that I linked to are pre-1997, ie - before current ban on firearms.

Consequently statistics support my view that guns were not the biggest issue at all and it makes sense to go (at least) to pre-Dunblane legislation.

Now I advocate concealed firearms for specially licensed members of public (as well as police), that's not something that was the case in this country for some time (if ever), so that's certainly tought to argue point.

[AtW]

ok, I dont want to labour the point. But 250 people stabbed to death is a proportion of how many people stabbed ?
50 people shot to death is a proportion of how many people shot ?

You are looking at mortality rates per incident, that's beyond the point - MORE people were killed by knifes than guns PRE dunblane.

Banning guns did not solve the problem - gun crime has doubled.

Banning knifes did not solve the problem - they are easier to conceal than guys and quicker to use actually.

[RichardCranium]

Good man Richard, I CBA to read that whole document... now pass me that sandwich

Quite happy to help, because I believe if you got your way, that 1/3rd of knifings would turn into fatal shootings. And many of the ABH knifings and ABH kickings that are not in that .PDF will also turn into fatal shootings.

[EternalOptimist]

It says:

But it also says:

ok, I dont want to labour the point. But 250 people stabbed to death is a proportion of how many people stabbed ?
50 people shot to death is a proportion of how many people shot ?


I think AtW should concentrate his efforts on preventing students called Sh1 tman becoming doctors

[AtW]

Good man Richard, I CBA to read that whole document... now pass me that sandwich

[RichardCranium]

so how many deaths were stabbings ?
33% of what number ?

It says:

While the most common method of killing in 1997 was with a sharp instrument (just under a third of offences), nine per cent of the 650 homicide victims currently recorded for England and Wales in 1997 were shot.

To examine the data in more detail, one has to use the figures for offences as initially recorded, before court and police decisions, so the percentages appear slightly different and indicate that eight per cent of homicide victims in 1997, or 59 people, were shot. Of these, a handgun was used in 39 cases, a long barrel shotgun in 12, sawn-off shotgun in four, rifle in three cases and the remaining case was unknown, but a supposed firearm.

But it also says:

In 1997, 738 deaths were initially recorded as homicide.

[EternalOptimist]

It's in the document I linked to

sorry, it wouldnt open here


maybe I should shoot it

[AtW]

Saddam had the right idea, cut their hands off

It's in the Shariat I believe to cut off hand of thiefs...

[AtW]

so how many deaths were stabbings ?
33% of what number ?

It's in the document I linked to

The main point is that pre-Dunblane firearm homicides were 8% vs 33% stabbings deaths.

How many of those were firearm offences with legit firearms with Dunblane excluded? Probably nearly non-existant.

[SuperZ]

They committed a murder and will get life imprisonment.

Sorry I meant the theft part.If that came with a more severe punishment the theft/murder might never have happened. Snatching a bag or whatever is quite a threatening act.
Saddam had the right idea, cut their hands off

[EternalOptimist]

http://www.parliament.uk/COMMONS/lib...9/rp99-056.pdf

"In 1997 around 8% of homicides involved firearms and almost one third a sharp weapon."

so how many deaths were stabbings ?
33% of what number ?

[AtW]

5% of a tiny number means fck all squared

http://www.parliament.uk/COMMONS/lib...9/rp99-056.pdf

"In 1997 around 8% of homicides involved firearms and almost one third a sharp weapon."

[EternalOptimist]

5 % ?????

thats nothing. 5% of the people who have walked on the moon had red hair and 100% of the first people were called Neil.

5% of a tiny number means fck all squared