Reply to: Doomed - now the gas is running out

[Tarquin Farquhar]

"The Subways of Tazoo" by Colin Kapp was plainly a forecast.

And our energy policy is Unorthodox Engineering?

[threaded]

Would love one of those but I fear any savings made would be gobbled up in extra insurance payments as we have a Thatched roof. Pity, but something for when we downsize!

Actually, I have one of them, and a thatched roof.

[shaunbhoy]

We've hardly switched on the gas central heating over the holiday... we installed one of those last month.

Looks really smart and I've been surprised how just one smouldering log can keep the house nice and warm...

Would love one of those but I fear any savings made would be gobbled up in extra insurance payments as we have a Thatched roof. Pity, but something for when we downsize!

[Bunk]

Talk to zeitghost he is apparently producing enough methane to keep you going

That was my first thought when I saw the thread. Plenty of gas in Wales at the moment.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

That my well be true, but I feel sure a different government would at least have made some sort of effort toward infrastructure projects.

And I feel equally sure they wouldn't. The previous government was good at selling infrastructure back to people who already owned it, not much else, I see no reason to suppose they would have been much different if they had continued.

[threaded]

Oh have I your Highness. At least I haven't allowed myself to become a pompous superior arrogant git; and you are wrong anyway. True Tony continued that spin, but it started with Thatcher.

That my well be true, but I feel sure a different government would at least have made some sort of effort toward infrastructure projects.

[scooterscot]

We've hardly switched on the gas central heating over the holiday... we installed one of those last month.

Looks really smart and I've been surprised how just one smouldering log can keep the house nice and warm...

[norrahe]

Want to know something scary?

It takes more energy to manufacture, construct, install, maintain and dispose of a wind turbine than it will generate in its life.

And that appears to be a secret outside the little clique of us pro-nuclear greenies.

Not really a secret but something the "non nuclear greenies" appear to ignore, add to the fact that wind turbines are not that effective in the production of energy as other methods.

There's currently planning permission for a big fat wind farm next to my village, and I'm sure the government will step in and approve it despite the opposition (as well as the big fat council estate that they are planning to stick on some agricultural land).

[BlackenedBiker]

Talk to zeitghost he is apparently producing enough methane to keep you going

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Oh dear. You've fallen into the government spin that all national infrastructure problem are now nothing to do with them...

I knew as soon as Tony Bliar got elected that this day would come. Anyone who didn't is a fool.

HTH

Oh have I your Highness. At least I haven't allowed myself to become a pompous superior arrogant git; and you are wrong anyway. True Tony continued that spin, but it started with Thatcher.

[RichardCranium]

Meanwhile we have hordes of almost useless windmills marching across the country. With an average 10% output on installed capacity. Wonderful.

Want to know something scary?

It takes more energy to manufacture, construct, install, maintain and dispose of a wind turbine than it will generate in its life.

And that appears to be a secret outside the little clique of us pro-nuclear greenies.

[BlackenedBiker]

Grid failures were predicted for the winter.

If anyone cares to check "I told you so" tm

Remember sheep: keep voting for the Nude Lay. Brrrrrrrrr.

FTFY

[Board Game Geek]

I watched the once great Pan Am do its business in the 1980s

I preferred TWA tea.

[Tarquin Farquhar]

They've also invested all the money they make from gas and oil in improving the nation and providing a better standard of living for its citizens. We spent ours destroying our manufacturing base and then supporting six million unemployed* in the Eighties.

* Yes, I know the official figures only ever said around three million, but it was more than six million in reality.

Sad but true. This country has financed current spending from outside sources of wealth for over a century, be it Opium in China, enforced trade with India, squandering of Marshall aid, treating one-off wealth as spendable income, or building a bubble from property and the City.

I watched the once great Pan Am do its business in the 1980s: it stopped making a profit as an airline, despite being the de facto flag-carrier for the world's biggest economy. So one year they sold off the Intercontinental Hotels chain. Next year they sold off profitable routes. THen they sold off actual planes. People said, what are they going to do next year? Next year they folded.

When you have forgotten how to make money, you will spend what you've got until it's gone and then you will fold.

[threaded]

WTF has it got to do with New Lie? Mrs Thatcher sold it all off - nowt to do with the government any more, hasn't been for ages.

Oh dear. You've fallen into the government spin that all national infrastructure problem are now nothing to do with them...

I knew as soon as Tony Bliar got elected that this day would come. Anyone who didn't is a fool.

HTH