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Previously on "Power by Osmosis"

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  • TimberWolf
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    Here's what David MacCay, a Cambridge professor, has to say on osmotic power (I might even buy his book when it comes out, it's full of fascinating little gems like this):

    We can find out the potential osmotic power of a region by estimating how much pure water reaches the sea, and multiplying by the osmotic energy per unit volume of sea water, which is about 0.8 kWh/m^3. This energy per unit volume is the same as the energy per unit volume of water falling through 280m []. So in principle, the osmotic power associated with every river meeting the sea is equivalent to a 280m high hydroelectric dam with the same flow of water.

    That sounds quite a lot! Perhaps countries with big rivers should look into this. How would it add up for the UK? As in chapter ??, we chop Britain up into ‘England’ (represented by Bedford) and ‘Scotland’ (represented by Kinlochewe). The rainfall in Bedford is 584mm per year, and in Kinlochewe it’s 2278mm per year. Don’t forget that some of this rainfall ends up evaporating from the ground or out of plants. To allow for this water loss, let’s ignore England’s water altogether, and just count Scotland’s. The area of Scotland, shared out among all Brits, is 1300m^2 per person. So the osmotic power (per person) is rainfall volume per day (per person) × osmotic energy per unit volume = 2.3m × 1300m^2 × 0.8 kWh/m^3 / 365 d = 6 kWh/d, if every river had a perfectly efficient osmotic power station at its mouth.

    The rest of the world
    Let’s discuss big rivers. The Mississippi is the tenth biggest river in the world, discharging 16 200m^3/s. Rather than persisting with the ideal osmotic energy density of 0.8 kWh/m^3, let’s try to be realistic and assume that some yet-to-be-defined technology delivers one eighth of this: 0.1 kWh/m^3. Then the osmotic power from the Mississippi would be about 6GW. The Saint Lawrence discharges 10 000m^3/s of water, corresponding to a potential osmotic power of 3.6GW. The Congo is four times the Saint Lawrence. The Amazon is twenty times the Saint Lawrence.
    http://www.withouthotair.com/
    So better that I first thought. Worth looking at anyway. The irony is that most of the rest of the world wants to do the reverse, trying to get fresh water from salty water.
    Last edited by TimberWolf; 25 November 2009, 18:57.

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  • EternalOptimist
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    Originally posted by threaded View Post
    Another attack on the poor!

    I will try and explain.

    One of the problems for poor people in the world is access to decent drinking water. If these people then have to compete with power plants then they're going to end up even poorer.

    Much the same way that bio-diesel is causing starvation by stealing the land to grow the raw material instead of being used for food production.

    Yeah, yeah, you'll all say but this is in Norway, they have plenty of fresh water. The way the world works, some poor third world country will have to buy these fscking things in exchange for aid from the first world.

    They are working on this. Its called sociosmosis.
    They put rich fat people on one side of a membrane and poor skinny people on the other. The skinny poor people press their noses up against the membrane which generates enough power to light up a small bulb every five years.

    I dont think it's a goer myself

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  • threaded
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    Another attack on the poor!

    I will try and explain.

    One of the problems for poor people in the world is access to decent drinking water. If these people then have to compete with power plants then they're going to end up even poorer.

    Much the same way that bio-diesel is causing starvation by stealing the land to grow the raw material instead of being used for food production.

    Yeah, yeah, you'll all say but this is in Norway, they have plenty of fresh water. The way the world works, some poor third world country will have to buy these fscking things in exchange for aid from the first world.

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  • chef
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    Originally posted by Spacecadet View Post
    **** sorry, I meant clippy
    Got distracted by work (my mistake) and then mixed up as to who had started which thread
    trying to smear my good name.. tsk tsk..

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  • Spacecadet
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    Originally posted by chef View Post
    Oy, who are you accusing of reading the Daily Mail

    Insults, p1ss taking and arguments are fine but insulting me like that..

    I demand you retract or correct the statement
    **** sorry, I meant clippy
    Got distracted by work (my mistake) and then mixed up as to who had started which thread

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  • chef
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    Originally posted by Spacecadet View Post
    The last thing I read before that was Chef's link to the daily mail article so my outraged setting was set accordingly
    Oy, who are you accusing of reading the Daily Mail

    Insults, p1ss taking and arguments are fine but insulting me like that..

    I demand you retract or correct the statement

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  • Spacecadet
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    Originally posted by Moscow Mule View Post
    It's a long way off the stupidest thing I've ever seen. However, I agree, it does sound impracticable.
    The last thing I read before that was Chef's link to the daily mail article so my outraged setting was set accordingly

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  • Moscow Mule
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    Originally posted by Spacecadet View Post
    stupidest thing i've ever seen
    It's a long way off the stupidest thing I've ever seen. However, I agree, it does sound impracticable.

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  • TimberWolf
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    I've heard of it before. It's like liberating fresh water from saltly water, which takes energy, but in reverse. You get salty water + a teensey bit of energy.

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  • Spacecadet
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    stupidest thing i've ever seen

    You need 2 things for it to work
    1. Salt water
    2. A constantly renewed supply of fresh water e.g. a river

    Surely it would be simpler to just stick a turbine in the fresh water supply

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  • EternalOptimist
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    Nice find chef, but the idea that a molecule of sea water is bigger than a molecule of fresh water has got to be a new low in scientific journalism.

    Day after day we seem to be getting these dumb articles





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  • chef
    started a topic Power by Osmosis

    Power by Osmosis

    Something I've not heard of before.. an interesting concept atleast.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8377186.stm

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