Reply to: When is racially-aggravated crime

[Dundeegeorge]

Well, perhaps, however

Maybe you're all missing the point - it's not that a racially motivated crime is worse than a non-racially motivated one, it's that minorities are subjected to this kind of crime more often than us whitey's.

I believe the idea is to discrouage this by increasing the sentence if there is a racially motivated reason for a crime being commited. Dunno if it's effective, or even fair but I think that's the logic. Personally I'm quite happy to lock up and throw away the key for any murderer who commits this sort of unprovoked attack, whatever the reason behind it.

I believe it's still the case that the overwhelming incidence of crime perpetrated against ethnic minorities is by their own ethnic minority. And it's still a ludicrous premise, the guys who did this were animals and for whatever reason, they attacked somebody. It's the attack that matters, not any perceived reason for the attack.
I think life sentences are too long for them, though. I mean, how long does it take to build a gallows?

[snaw]

Maybe you're all missing the point - it's not that a racially motivated crime is worse than a non-racially motivated one, it's that minorities are subjected to this kind of crime more often than us whitey's.

I believe the idea is to discrouage this by increasing the sentence if there is a racially motivated reason for a crime being commited. Dunno if it's effective, or even fair but I think that's the logic. Personally I'm quite happy to lock up and throw away the key for any murderer who commits this sort of unprovoked attack, whatever the reason behind it.

[SupremeSpod]

Sorry SS it is not it is when the judge makes the decision that it was a racially motivated attack!

Sorry Harry, it's when the order comes down from upon high!

[Harrysp]

Sorry SS it is not it is when the judge makes the decision that it was a racially motivated attack!

[SupremeSpod]

When is a racially motivated crime...

Dundee, your answer is.... "When the police say it is..." or not!

I hope that helps, somehow, I don't think it will. Ah, well, tulipe happens, we must move on and according to the chancellor, pay up. It's only fair after all.

[Phoenix]

Who said it was good?

Well you get 15 bloody years less!!!!

[Harrysp]

So premeditated Murder with no apparent motivation...is good?

I think I 've got it now.......

Who said it was good?

[Phoenix]

So premeditated Murder with no apparent motivation...is good?

I think I 've got it now.......

[Harrysp]

Section 28 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 defined an offence as racially aggravated if the offender demonstrates racial hostility towards the victim at the time of, or before or after, committing an offence; or is motivated wholly or partly by hostility towards members of a racial group. It created specific offences of racially aggravated assault, criminal damage, public order and harassment. Additionally, section 153 of the Powers of Criminal courts (Sentencing) Act 2000 (replacing section 82 of the 1998 Act) imposes a duty on sentencing courts to treat evidence of racial aggravation as an aggravating feature, increasing the seriousness of the offence and the sentence to be imposed, in cases where offences are not specifically charged under the 1998 Act.
Section 28 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 defined an offence as racially aggravated if the offender demonstrates racial hostility towards the victim at the time of, or before or after, committing an offence; or is motivated wholly or partly by hostility towards members of a racial group. It created specific offences of racially aggravated assault, criminal damage, public order and harassment. Additionally, section 153 of the Powers of Criminal courts (Sentencing) Act 2000 (replacing section 82 of the 1998 Act) imposes a duty on sentencing courts to treat evidence of racial aggravation as an aggravating feature, increasing the seriousness of the offence and the sentence to be imposed, in cases where offences are not specifically charged under the 1998 Act.

[Xena]

So why should there be a potential 15 year difference in jail time

It's only "fair".

White people is racialists, innit, and racialists is bad. We need to increase the number of white people in prison to ensure that the prison population contains a representative mix of our ethnically diverse (and, hence, enriched) society. Giving white people longer sentences will help to reverse the over representation of non-whites in the prison population.

[Dundeegeorge]

******* good question

So why should there be a potential 15 year difference in jail time

[Joe Black]

This is appalling - I agree with the sentence, any such vicious murder should carry a harsh sentence - but why oh why does it make a stuff of difference to anyone why they murdered

Can't see much difference between the cases. Each group shouted or made racist comments at some point, and in the case of the Asian youths having killed one guy then gone for a Kebab, one of them then set about attacking another person.

"it was an unprovoked attack, very brutal and vicious"
"this killing was and remains a senseless event"

Guess which quote is which case.

So why should there be a potential 15 year difference in jail time?

[Dundeegeorge]

The problem JG

This is appalling - I agree with the sentence, any such vicious murder should carry a harsh sentence - but why oh why does it make a stuff of difference to anyone why they murdered

is that had it only been a common or garden murder, they would have received 15 years.

[John Galt]

A man convicted of the racist murder of Anthony Walker is "horrified" at what he has done, a court has heard.
Paul Taylor, 20, and his cousin Michael Barton, 17, who murdered Anthony with an ice axe, are due to be sentenced at Liverpool Crown Court.

Andrew Menary QC, defending Taylor, said in mitigation the killer was sorry for what he had done and wanted to apologise to Anthony's family.

Anthony, 18, was killed at McGoldrick Park in Huyton, Merseyside, on 29 July.

Taylor and Barton face a life sentence with a minimum tariff of 30 years for racially motivated murder.

"This killing was and remains a senseless event," Mr Menary said.

Unlike those asian youths of course.

This is appalling - I agree with the sentence, any such vicious murder should carry a harsh sentence - but why oh why does it make a stuff of difference to anyone why they murdered

[Dundeegeorge]

Hmnn, so that was a racist killing

A man convicted of the racist murder of Anthony Walker is "horrified" at what he has done, a court has heard.
Paul Taylor, 20, and his cousin Michael Barton, 17, who murdered Anthony with an ice axe, are due to be sentenced at Liverpool Crown Court.

Andrew Menary QC, defending Taylor, said in mitigation the killer was sorry for what he had done and wanted to apologise to Anthony's family.

Anthony, 18, was killed at McGoldrick Park in Huyton, Merseyside, on 29 July.

Taylor and Barton face a life sentence with a minimum tariff of 30 years for racially motivated murder.

"This killing was and remains a senseless event," Mr Menary said.

Unlike those asian youths of course.